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SOLD!

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Updated…

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Sold!

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see above

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[quote quote=80616]Do you still have the veno 5 brake parts and how much [/quote]

Joe, I still have the parts listed in the post.  Shoot me an email if interested.

Cheers!

Patrick

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Front brakes have sold.

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I appreciate what you are trying to accomplish and there may be options but I disagree that a shifter kart is even remotely a good option for someone that has safety concerns and is not an experienced autocrosser.  I spent 5 years autocrossing before I got into karting (been karting 7 years) and decided a few years ago to take my shifter autocrossing for a day just to have some fun.  While I had fun, it was extremely rough on the kart and was somewhat terrifying.

The autocross course was at a “nice” parking lot but even the smallest mismatches in concrete not only damaged the bottom of my chassis but I also had to constantly catch and correct as the kart bottomed out.  Manhole covers and drain grates suddenly became terrifying as in a car you are worried about light poles… well… in a kart there are a lot more things to worry about avoiding.  At the same time this is all happening at a pace that is dramatically faster than any single car out there (I was 3.5 seconds faster than that fastest mod car out there and probably 6-8 seconds faster than a street legal Miata).  I honestly don’t know if I could’ve caught the kart in time to not hit something if I hit a slick spot or a hub came off or some other failure (keep in mind I consider myself an experienced autocrosser AND karter).

I’m also reminded of an incident a few years ago where a young girl died at an autocross because of some failure on her kart.  I don’t recall specifically what the failure was but I’ve had throttle’s stick on me (the cable unraveled in the sleeve) and I’ve seen people with brake failures.

I love karting and push this sport at any chance I get but in this case I think you should steer away from it.  My wife and I both autocrossed and she was never comfortable enough to drive the Porsche that I raced but she still had a ball racing her VW Beetle! :)

 

 

[Patrick Roth]

For a new racer at an “advanced” age, the rib protector is probably the most important piece of safety equipment because it’s the most likely injury you could have (don’t go cheap on this).  A lot of people in the sport go through rib related injuries and they are miserable (voice of experience).  IMO, the neck brace and chest protector are a question of how risk adverse you are.  I started with a $400 Leatt brace because I was planning to do high speed road course stuff and I felt this was necessary but I found myself doing only sprint racing and am comfortable with a foam donut.  I have never worn or considered a chest protector, elbow and/or knee pads.  I did wear one elbow pad when I was racing shifters as my elbow kept hitting the motor.

Outside of the safety aspect, I suggest spending a little extra on gloves and shoes because of the durability factor.  I started off cheap and found myself replacing these items in less than 6 months because they fell apart (I now run Sparco shoes and gloves).  A cheaper suit should be just fine for a while as they don’t take too much abuse.  A M rated helmet should work just fine unless you are planning to test this at speeds higher than what a typical motorcycle incident might happen at.

In the end, buck up for the rib protector and then go with what fits your budget and makes you sleep better at night.

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Sold

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Updated list and lowered several prices

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The motor package has been sold so I will be listing the chassis and Mychron separately in their respective forum locations.

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SOLD!  Thanks EKN!

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Sale pending…

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The biggest thing you’ll want to look at is any flat spotting on the bottom of the chassis, clear signs of damage from contact, and any weld cracks/repairs.  A chassis that old is bound to have a scraped up bottom which is normal but you don’t want any flat spots.  Look for any cracks in the welds and possible repairs (usually you can pick these out as they are painted over which won’t match the finish of the original powder coat).  Damage from contact will typically show up in a bent steering shaft (turn the wheel and see if it wobbles), replacement tie rods (see if they match and if they don’t than ask why), replacement spindles, etc.

Look very closely at the seat mounting struts for signs of damage/repair.  It’s fairly normal to see repairs in this area, you just want to make sure if there is a repair than it is repaired properly.

In a perfect world you’d want to measure if the chassis is straight but this is not always easy to do without a flat table to put it on.

Hope this help! :)

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Daniel, While I’m not the leading expert on CRG chassis changes over the years, my first kart was a 2008 CRG Road Rebel and currently own both 2013 and 2015 Road Rebels.  IMO, any changes would not be noticeable to someone new to the sport.  Each and every year CRG has a new Road Rebel frame (or multiple variations) with all sorts of minor tweaks but even if they were “noticeable”, it doesn’t mean a previous version can’t be tuned to be fast.  Case in point, I’ve set faster lap times in my 2013 than my 2015 despite me liking the feel of the 2015 better.

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CRG definitely has an extended front porch kit available.  It’s priced at $345 at Acceleration Karting for a new kit.  With that being said, I’ve seen a lot of tall drivers run without an extended porch just fine (you have the option to remove the foot rests to gain an extra few inches).

I have a complete CRG shifter kart for sale just in case you are interested… ;)

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Tom, Shoot me an email and we can discuss.  My hesitation with shipping is I’ve never done it before; however, the boss wants this thing gone. ;)

Contact me at proth0303@gmail.com.

Thanks!  Patrick

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The boss is “encouraging” me to get this thing sold and out of the garage so I’m definitely willing to discuss/negotiate delivery alternatives (ex: I can meet you somewhere within a reasonable drive from Houston, TX).

If you are interested in the package, just shoot me an email and we can discuss.

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Updated list due to a number of items being sold

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Updated list again :)

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Price reduced… I currently have an unopened 5 gallon can of C12 fuel to throw in with the sale. The kart is taking up room in my garage and I’m motivated to sell so reasonable offers will be entertained.

Patrick

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Penalizing the drivers is nothing but a broken record.  This argument has been around for a long time and it obviously hasn’t worked.  If you think that you can just convince race officials to crack down on people and it will fix it than don’t hold your breath.  I’m not saying that strict race officiating can’t work and become a deterrent but the human side of it is hard to deal with.  For example, if I wanted to work as a race official (corner worker, director, tech inspector, etc) to earn a few extra bucks, all it would take is one pissed off racer or parent in my face arguing about my call to say screw this, it ain’t worth it.  You know what kills a race day for me?  Watching some jerk yell, kick, and scream at someone who is trying to uphold the integrity of our sport.

When I was young I was big into baseball and was fortunate to be skilled enough to be recruited to play on some highly competitive summer teams.  My father was very proud of me as he loved watching me play and beam when other parents said I made a good play or commented on how skilled I was.  Of all the good or game winning plays that I made, I will never forget the one game where we were in a tournament and our team was on the verge of elimination despite being touted as the favorite to dominate and win it all.  A play happened and in the process I clearly threw out a runner going to third base.  The umpire called the runner safe and I proceeded to be a jerk and yell at the umpire and even threw my helmet (I was a catcher) on the ground.  I expected my father to agree with me that the umpire made a bad call and my actions were justified…  I had never seen my father more disappointed in me…  I didn’t get a scolding, rather I got a reminder to respect the game and its faults.  The point of this is that I did this as a kid and my father corrected me but in karting today, I see too many “adults” acting in this manner.

The drop down bumper gets rid of a large part of the officiating element and puts the responsibility on us racers.

 

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Updated with more items

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Mike,

The purpose of the bodywork is to make it safer and I would have a hard time believing that it did otherwise.  You’re spot on with it going to the other extreme but accidents/mistakes happen and the last thing I want is to ride up on someones wheel because of my own error.

Mark,

+1 in the good parenting department…  There are a lot of good parents with great kids in the sport!  I think the larger issue lies with the older racers (older meaning typically >18 years of age) and the various supporting “adults” (parents themselves, tuners, driving coaches, mechanics, etc).  Rather than accept whatever happened (or at least approach a disagreement with the possibility that they are wrong or an actual mistake might have been made), they fly off the handle and start yelling and screaming at race directors, tech inspectors, series organizers and workers, volunteers, etc.  The “I’m going to take my toys and go home” crap really needs to stop…

Sorry for getting on my soap box on this one but the sport loses it’s luster when you see so much of this.  I feel bad for those people that put their heart and soul into trying to make this sport better only to have it spit on by some of its own constituents.

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If brake checking (or purposeful maneuver to dislodge the bumper) is a legitimate and respected method of racing than this sport is not for me.  If bad luck from incidental contact is worth elevated blood pressure and fighting than might I suggest this sport is not for you.

I get it, we are all competitive but a lot of this debate seems ridiculous and frankly it’s sounds like poor sportsmanship.  If you can’t accept that someone made a mistake and you got caught up in it than you are not the type of racer I want to be around.  Would I be happy about getting a penalty for someone else’s mistake?  Of course not, but I understand that things happen that are out of my control.  Gary’s reference to higher level open wheel racing makes a point that I am adamant about in that we shouldn’t expect to race without consequences whether it be intentional or not.  When Mercedes calls me to fill Rosberg’s open seat, I am not going to go in there thinking that I should be able continue a race like nothing happened after my front wing received damage from another racer coming over on me during the start.

While most people that know me see my temperament as calm, patient, and a very clean racer, I’m with Gary in that if someone purposefully brake checked me than you better plan on being pushed straight off the track.  I’d do the same for blocking…

If I miss a gear and feel a bump from behind than the first thing I do after the race is to try and locate the person and apologize for my mistake.  Or if the person comes to me pissed off than I’m also going to apologize for my mistake.  If you can’t appreciate/accept an apology from someone who made a mistake than good luck with that in life.  I actually saw an instance where a younger driver made a mistake and hit a seasoned veteran.  The younger driver found the seasoned driver after the race to apologize and the veteran went off.  Maybe I’m in the minority but the younger driver was the bigger “man” in the situation…

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