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    • #57041
      William Martin
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      Well, at this point your only option is a complete tear down. There is no telling what may have been chewed upon in the bottom end. Maybe it would have been possible to fish around with a magnet, turn engine upside down & flush with spray cleaner, but it isn’t reliable. Always taking a big chance when not opening up cases after a failure that left broke something in the cylinder. Guess why the cranks or crank bearings are made to slip fit, as opposed to the way Honda’s come from the factory…

       

      Good luck,

      Bill

    • #57060
      Jimmy Callaway
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      Yes, the next move I’d definitely splitting the case. And yes, crank bearings would be too easy to pass up. What I’m trying to figure out is whether I need to replace the crank and rod assembly. Are the rod needle bearings very susceptible to debris damage as compared to a conventional babbitt rod bearing (that is very sensitive to debris).

      When bottom ends give up what usually happens? Are we talking broken crank/rod (and killing the case) or a nondestructive seizing of the rod bearing?

      Just trying to get a feel for what I’m up against cost wise and risk wise.

       

      Thanks.

      Jimmy

    • #57132
      William Martin
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      Unfortunately when you have metal bits flying around, there is no “usual suspect”, nearly anything can happen. Having said that, the lower rod bearing is something to be replaced “just because you can”. The cage will eventually fracture on it’s own, I sort of doubt if it will swallow metal bits from outside of the bearing, since it is spinning around trying to throw stuff away from itself.

      If you had a real rod failure, there would probably be a hole in the case somewhere…although the big end of the rod will start eating at the cases, right where it gets both halves at once, when there is enough rod looseness. That usually doesn’t happen if you replace the big end bearing at a reasonable schedule. Any trace of bluing from heat and it’s too late, you need a new rod and crank pin both.

      So the moral of this long-winded story is that tear down and close inspection is critical to keeping these little monsters alive. Clean stuff like you mean to bake on it, so you can really see the condition of the metal surface.

      regards,

      bill

       

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