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Steve BakerParticipant
Walt Gifford wrote – If we only had an organization that could govern a set of rules for all the tracks, some kind of world karting organization, we could use the same equipment everywhere.
GifWalt,
This would be a monumental change in our current karting structure and could only happen from someone / group with superb leadership capabilities. This would be refreshing to see a shift towards this in future karting scene.
Steve BakerParticipantSteve BakerParticipantJoshua,
Your right there was not any 4 cycle classes at MRP. They are just now planning to add the 4 cycle classes I listed above to the remainder of the GLSS races.
Steve
Steve BakerParticipantBob,
Stay in touch with the GLSS series about running the BP animal classes at New Castle races if you think you can bring a big group of them. Not sure how much room they have to add more classes. The PG and LO classes are added because of the strong gold cup showing and the future growth potential for these 2 platform classes. There is bigger plans for 2015 GLSS series and a restructure of 2 and 4 cycle classes.
Thanks
SteveSteve BakerParticipantThe GLSS WKA Divisional series has added 4 WKA 4 cycle classes to the remaining 3 races for this year. Next race is at G&J Kartway in Camden Ohio on June 13,14 & 15.
For the the Gold Cup racers this will be a good tune up race for the upcoming Gold Cup race in July.
More info to be announced later for this event.Animal Pro Gas Sportsman
Animal Pro Gas Jr
Animal Pro Gas Sr
LO206 Srhttp://www.worldkarting.com/index.php/series/great-lakes-series-page
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Great-Lakes-Sprint-Series/160581637292875Steve
Steve BakerParticipantBob,
What I was thinking about is if you looked down over the region and had to pick what the 6 largest classes would be. Realizing that you can not satisfy everyone but just based on max entries for 6 classes in each 2 cycle and 4 cycle what would they be. Not to look at any one particular track of club, but at all the race tracks in this region for this study. Or is there too many classes to make this determination?
Steve
Steve BakerParticipantWhat would be the ideal 2 & 4 cycle classes for a Divisional series as we have been talking about in this post for the Great Lakes region. I am not that well versed in 2 cycle so any help would be appreciated. I am thinking about 6 or 7 classes each in 2 and 4 cycles.
Steve
Steve BakerParticipantBasically in a nut shell if we could just get all the race tracks in this region, about 6 states for starters, to offer the same classes in 2 cycle and 4 cycle instead of being so fragmented in their class offerings. Better yet have these classes the same as being raced at the Divisional and National level. If we just had a good organizer person to start this ball rolling is what we really need. The intent here is not to create problems but just the opposite to bring all the racing parties together for what would be best for everyone. We need for everyone to start thinking about what’s best for racing and not what is best for them in there little area. Commonizing classes will only make bigger and more exciting races!
On a side note, I looked at some of the bigger tracks in the 5 states around the Great Lakes, OH,IN,IL,MI,and WI and it was mind boggling of all the different classes and rule packages, i was running out of paper. Can this really be good for our karting sport?
Thanks Bob V. – Its encouraging that we still have people around that can still see the forest through the trees!Thanks
SteveSteve BakerParticipantJohn,
The LO206 should be looking very attractive these days for all club tracks for entry level racing. At price levels in the $600.00 to $750.00 for complete race ready packages I can imagine healthy growth levels are in the near future. Again we just need all the great lakes region tracks to commonize on these types of classes and specs. When tracks have classes that combine flat heads, clones, animals & LO206 all racing together with the thought this will promote large entry classes with no chance of making the competition level equal it actually limits the kart counts. Racers like to compete in large classes with equal class rules and engine packages. Just remember back in the common flat head days, everybody had them and you could race anywhere in the country.The LO206 is now the lowest cost 4cycle entry level engine package available and then for the advanced level racer the WKA Animal Pro Gas is still very low cost in the $850.00 to $975.00 price range for packages as compared to the Animal Alky for $1500.00+ and the daily increasing cost of the BP clone in the $1000 + range. In addition to lower cost of the Animal LO206 and Pro Gas packages the once a year rebuilds are all that is required.
Steve
Steve BakerParticipantAnother goal should be to work with all the tracks in the Great Lakes region to commonize all their classes and specs to be the same as WKA national level classes. This would only help to feed growth at the local tracks and at National races in the area. We have some great sprint tracks in this region with great racing potential, it just needs to be organized between each track promoters.
i.e. – There is so much potential in this region to have some of the best sprint racing in the country!
Ohio
Midvale
Thompson
Adkins
Circleville
Camden
FremontMichigan
Ravena
East Lansing
PalmyraIndiana
MRP ( South Bend )
NCMP ( New Castle )Steve
Steve BakerParticipantMark,
Yes, been on the phone a lot today and looks like some options are looking favorable for the GLSS series in 2015 to have a class structure that would support both 2 cycle and 4 cycle national level classes. Lessons learned from the past having too many classes with a small number of entries in each class is not a good business plan for a series. Agree the LO206 class is picking up momentum and with the National Animal Pro Gas classes along with the key 2 cycle classes this could put the GLSS series back on the map.
Steve
Steve BakerParticipantI agree with you 100% Joshua Guiher!
Some facts,
I did some research about the last WKA Gold Cup race in March at Jacksonville Florida. Just as I suspected the 4 states that have Divisional series and that follow WKA 4 cycle classes also had the largest entries. Again they are Georgia, Florida, Maryland and New York and Georgia had the most entries. Additionally there were only 6 total racers from Ohio and Michigan combined and absolutely none from Indiana. So I would have to say that the WKA National Gold Cup feeder system from the Great lakes area is severely broken. A properly managed solid 4 cycle sprint series still looks like the best option to me. IMO, this would push the local tracks to follow these classes.Steve
Steve BakerParticipantI really do not see the local club tracks around the great lakes area switching over to wka gold cup classes. I wish they would because in fact there kart entry numbers would grow overtime I believe. So in the mean time a WKA divisional 4 cycle sprint series look more attractive to me than waiting for local tracks to come around. Ravena is for sure a track that has there own unique engine rules that do not even follow any other series or organization in the US!
Personally I would like to get all the 4cycle sprint track owners / promoters in a room at one time and work out a program where all of them would adopt all the exact same classes. That would be better for all parties involved.Steve
Steve BakerParticipantThe current number of entries at all the 4 cycle sprint tracks in Ohio, Michigan and Indiana that follow the gold cup offered classes is zero. So even at all the local club tracks they are not and have no plans to feed the gold cup series. A properly managed WKA divisional series in the northern area would only help support the gold cup series. I know a lot of racers that want to race the next higher level of racing competition that they cannot get currently at the local club track venues. Maybe this would be different if all the local area club tracks would support WKA with the gold cup classes, but they do not! In fact some of the track owners I have talked to like to keep the rules unique and different than WKA so their little group of racers will stay with them and not want to travel and not race at there track.
Another good example is the last gold cup race at Jacksonville had about 290 entires and I can count on 1 hand how many of those racers came from the great lakes area. They came mostly from the area of the country that have WKA 4 cycle divisonal series, Florida, Georgia , Maryland and New York, not Ohio, Michigan or Indiana!Steve
Steve BakerParticipantDavid,
Your first comment hits the point right on the head. “Aside from Gold Cup, where else are 4-Cycle racers racing in the area?” That,s the problem, there is no feeder in the area for the Gold Cup in this area. The 4 cycle sprint racing has declined over the past 5 to 10 years. I remember the older GLSS was very strong in 4 cycle sprint racing years ago. We need a series in this area that truly will promote 4 cycle racing and create a racing venue that will attract new racers to 4 cycle sprint racing, that does not exist today and has not in many years.
We need a good solid 4 cycle WKA divisional series in this area that offers all the Gold Cup classes. The only current ones are in Florida, Georgia, New York and Maryland!Thanks
SteveSteve BakerParticipantSteve BakerParticipantIts getting better and better all the time!
Steve BakerParticipantIt is my understanding that yes you can bolt on a 4 cycle engine to your current Man Cup CIK chassis and race it in the WKA Gold Cup series.
It is also my understanding that yes you can now use a 50 mm axle in your current 4 cycle chassis.
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