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kent flueckiger
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 Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:56 pm Post subject: Original aixro ? why hasn't someone made a cheap rotory |
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My original question when this post started was why hasn't a company made a cheap version of a rotary. Thanks for those that responded to my original questions. Seems like those of you that respond to any posts on the rotary engines have been following these engines for allot longer than I have and have a tremendous amount of knowledge on the subject. What also seems obvious to me is that there are many of you out there that would love to own one of these powerful little engines but have not made the investment. My question is what is keeping all of you out there from buying one of these little power house engines. Is it the cost,,,,,is it the fear that the company will go belly up over night leaving you with no way to maintain it,,,,,,,,is it that most tracks do not have a class to run it ? ( Chad, sorry for changing mid stream on posts, been reading old posts going way back that you have responded too,,,,looks like you also have been interested in a hi-powered kart,,,twins ,,,,sudams and the aixro's. What has kept you from a purchase of the aixro ? ) Listening to a conversation at a little dirt oval a few weeks back, someone showed up at an outlaw dirt oval in Kentucky and walked away with all the marbles. They didn't even know how to tech the guy. Was the first time any of them had seen the aixro but was all they could talk about. Love to hear from someone that is currently running this package !
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Jason Fisher
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| Because by the time some one did the R&D work to get it figured out, then made it out of the correct materials it would no longer be cheap. Rotary motors are expensive by nature despite the fact that they appear "simple" compared to a regular motor. They are also fuel hogs, and not very "green" so they would not be much use for anything else. That would also drive the price up due to the fact they would not sell very many. |
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Chad Stapleton
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Google "Rotamax" or "Freedom Motors"
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Tim Koyen
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| Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Jason Fisher wrote: | | Because by the time some one did the R&D work to get it figured out, then made it out of the correct materials it would no longer be cheap. Rotary motors are expensive by nature despite the fact that they appear "simple" compared to a regular motor. They are also fuel hogs, and not very "green" so they would not be much use for anything else. That would also drive the price up due to the fact they would not sell very many. |
Then some clown in China would knock it off, sell it for $99, and the original designer would go bankrupt and push all his worldly possession around in Kroger cart while we flocked to Harbor Freight to buy one.
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kent flueckiger
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Les Prins
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kent flueckiger
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John Matthews
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The simple answer to your question is basic economics. Since karting is a TINY sport compared to almost anything else, and the number of kart racers who could actually use (much less want) and engine of this power level it just doesn't make sense.
If you start to figure out how much tooling would cost; not to mention materials, production facilities, marketing, and product liability insurance, the ROI wouldn't justify it in a thousand years.
Manufacturers will only produce produce products they think they will make a profit from, the fact that you want something that's already on the market but don't want to pay for it should provide the answer to your question.
Cheers,
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Karl Cleeton
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Kent - which engine picture are refering to, the 301 series? The picture of the engine in the kart looks to me like it's just a XR50 painted blue.
Check out http://www.rotaryengines.ca/main/karts.htm
Looks like maybe the same engine as Revrotary's R401 series. 70 lbs though is a lot of engine. Don't miss the kart video http://www.rotaryengines.ca/main/media.htm That's good stuff right there! ~Karl |
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Chad Stapleton
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none of those engines compare to the Aixro, which at 294 cc produces 58bhp.
It seems you would need the turbocharged 410cc version of theirs before you get over 50bhp !  ( then compare the weight ?)
The "Turbo Aixro" makes 95bhp from its 294cc !
And i would guess the prices will sting too !
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kent flueckiger
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Chad Stapleton
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unfortunately not an owner personally but...
Some owner feedback here ..
http://www.karting1.co.uk/forum/viewforum.php?f=9
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Les Prins
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| kent flueckiger wrote: | | Les,,,,,thanks for the information on Revolution's kart engine. I am contacting them to see if they will send me a PDF file on their engine. Looks from the picture to be similar to Pouls XR50. Have not recieved anything back as of yet. E-Bay has an XR50 up for sale, has 45 hours on it which is 5 away from suggested maintenance,,,,,,,as these are new to me I don't know whether it would be a good buy or not ? Has spare parts and many of the custom mods ? ,,,,,,Thanks again for the 2nd example of a rotary for our Karts ,,,,,,this was the information I was looking for when I first posted ! I am curious how you found Revolution,,,,from everything I have googled, they have never popped up ? |
Sorry Kent, I don't remember how I found it. I was reading about small engines for ultralight aircraft because they are small, light and powerful and saw the link. I remember a while back reading about he rotamax but I think they may not be in business any longer and was looking for any other manufacturers.
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Chad Stapleton
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Kent,
why delete your posts after a long thread ???
Seems like a weird move !
WTF ? ..Weirder still. now you change the entire subject in the OP, making all the replies completely irrelevant
Just start a new thread !
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mike clements
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I have been full time in karting for over 20 years. For the 15 years prior to that, I was building and selling kart race engine on a part time basis. So, I have had quite a lot of experience with this price game. To be honest, Karters do NOT want a cheaper engine or a less expensive anything. Just within my karting business, I have had it proven to me many times. I will never again play the price game with anyone.
Latest example. We studied the dirt oval and asphalt oval market for some time. We wanted to build a tire that would work as well or better than any other available tire. After a ton of testing and monetary investment, we built over 1000 sets of tires. Having had that many built, we could offer them at a very much reduced price. We put enough rubber on them so that a stock clone racers, asphalt or dirt, could run one set of $95 tires for at least two full seasons before needing another tire. If the other racers wanted to cut them and chemically prep them, they could easily do so and still spend considerably less money on their tire program for the season.
Long story short, we can't give these things away. So, we raised the price up to be on the same par with other tire suppliers and sales have increased. Seems the racers put more stock into "Perception" than Fact.
I truly believe that most kart racers WANT to spend more money on tires, chassis, engines, clutches, etc. Then, they want to complain about parking fees and pit pass prices.
If you can get a good handle on the mentality of this deal, PLEASE clue me in.
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