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Bob Baldwin jr · Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Posts: 3579

I got to believe that LOEW's Can't be happy with the NEGATIVE Publicity
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Jeff DeMello · Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:13 pm Post subject:

Bob I was just going to Lowes to buy something but not now, after the mess this weekend. Confused

NOT.....

I do not think what happened this weekend would keep anyone from shopping at Lowes Rolling Eyes

But the half espanol on all there signs in the store thats a differant story..
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Brian Mead · Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:35 pm Post subject:

mmmmm- your last name is Hendrick, with an annual budget of God alone knows how many millions, you would allow two of your greatest assets go at each other with 3500# moble hammers? Maybe, a little bit. Not so much though I would think.

Greg Johnson · Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:49 pm Post subject:

HEY BALDWIN QUIT YELLING........ CRYBABY Rolling Eyes

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Tom Jensen · Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:37 pm Post subject:

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Tim B: In the context of E-K-N you are correct . However in the REAL RACING MEDIA Laughing

such as Speed Channel and Racer Magazine and others That can not be a GOOD THANG Embarassed

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Robby Harper III · Joined: 29 Oct 2007 Posts: 348

The problem with Jimmie is that he has always been a horrible superspeedway racer. He makes some very poor on track decisions that have caused big wrecks ever since 2002. Go back and watch the "big ones" and he has caused sevral of them. He and Carl Edwards.

He's a great intermediate track driver but overall, Chad Knaus is the primary mastermind behind the success over there. You put Chad with a low budget team and the'd win a race. You put Chad with Jeff Gordon and we are probably discussing whether he can catch Richard Petty.

As a sidenote, I'm not a fan of either of them. I stick with Jamie Mc, Martin and Dale.
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Dan Haynes · Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:46 pm Post subject:

i have to agree with Robby on this. a guess would be that about 90% of the races Jimmie has won have been through pit strategy and luck, or at least the pit strategy has put him in a position to win. i don't like Gordon either but if you give the win to the dominant cars this year then Jeff probably has 4 or 5 wins by now.

And Jimmie has always been a problem on the big tracks. i remember when he first started he caused almost every big wreck that happened on the superspeedways. this last race i don't think Jimmie meant to cause any problems with that move. i think he was trying not to block Jeff, but to get in front of the inside line that was moving to the front. due to his lack of superspeedway abilities he misjudged the closing rate, causing the wreck half a lap later.

Jimmie is no slouch behind the wheel, but he isn't the best out there. he's probably one of the top 10 drivers in NASCAR, probably closer to 10th. he is good at keeping the car in one piece and he and Chad have great communication, allowing Chad to make great calls.

i think with the Hendrick equipment and Chad as a crew chief, there are probably 20-30 drivers in NASCAR that could step in and win races.
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Robby Harper III · Joined: 29 Oct 2007 Posts: 348

Top ten active drivers (not based on stats, but skill):
1a Jeff Gordon
1b Tony Stewart
3 Juan Pablo Montoya
4 Mark Martin
5 Jamie McMurray
6 Greg Biffle
7 Kasey Kahne
8 Ughhhhh> Kyle Busch
9 Jeff Burton
10 Ryan Newman / Matt Kenseth

I might put Jimmie in the top 15. But you put Knaus with any of the above and you've got a winner.
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Ric Smith · Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 12:31 am Post subject:

Greatest of all time? Laughing

Please, first off if you think he's done all of this legitimately, then why is his crew chief's nickname Cheater Chad? How many times has he been caught cheating again? Thats right, too many to count. Then look at all the bs reasons nascar comes up with when given the chance to help JJ win obviously tells me something has to be going on between Nascar and Rick Hendrick, wouldn't surprise if payments are being made to help tip the odds in his favor. Rick Hendrick isnt as humble and honest as everyone likes to think, he's a crook. I honestly don't know how JJ sleeps at night, knowing everything he's done over the last 4 years is a complete lie, he doesnt deserve an ounce of what he has been given since and should be banned from the sport for making a joke out of it

To support my theory im going to bring up an issue from last year: The 48 and the 5 both were found to be illegal, albeit barely, in the post race break down of the winning car and the random draw car, which happened to be the 5, at the Nascar R&D center in NC. Now I would bet anyone a million dollars if it would have been any other team and pair of drivers, they would have come up with the same punishment of crew chief suspensions, fines, probation and loss of points (owner and driver) as they do with everyone else, but how convenient that its two HENDRICK cars but they just slap them on the hand and let them off with a warning, essentially telling everyone its ok for these guys to cheat but not you.

Now the flip side: at the All Star race last year, A NON POINTS race:
Carl Long, a start and park, wasnt even going to finish the race or make the big show, blew a head gasket and had to change engines. Now the engine he put in had been run before quite a few times, and was found to be .17 ci over the limit. Now again, he wasnt going to win or possibly even finish, he knew that as did everyone else, Nascar included. But what do they do? They slap him with the biggest fine in the history of Nascar: a 12 race suspension, including coming to the track as a team member for another team he works for, the job that pays his bills and feeds his family, and a $200,000 fine to him AND his crew chief. Here's a quote from him:

“My race team and my personal income all together, we don’t generate over $100,000 a year with everything that comes in. So basically, you are fining me twice what my annual income is. Go take one of the other teams that gets a $20 million sponsor and fine them $40 million, same deal.” "Basically, if I can’t pay the fine I’ll never get a NASCAR license,” Long added. “I won’t even be able to go run a late model race at Hickory (Motor Speedway), I won’t have a NASCAR license. I can’t do my normal job to feed my family working for the Front Row Motorsports team or any team, because I can’t come to the track."

Where exactly is the justice here? How is any of this fair? You can't honestly tell me that Nascar doesnt play favorites, this makes it blatently clear who Nascar cares more about making happy, that low life scum bag Rick Hendrick. He lines Helton and Frances pockets under the table, and they return the favor, simple as that
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Dan Haynes · Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:34 am Post subject:

Come on Ric, tell us how you really feel!

I'll agree that JJ has had a lot of controversy surrounding his career. He's been caught maybe 7 or 8 times. How many times has he not been caught?

But I think a statement that NASCAR is being paid off is bogus. NASCAR makes more money than any one team (or driver) in NASCAR. If they really wanted to improve their fan base, or the morale of it, they would have Dale Jr. winning races. Like him or not, he has been NASCAR's most popular driver for something like 8 years in a row now. Or they would produce a scenario where an underfunded team such as the 34, 37, 38, 71, etc., starts winning races and vying for the championship. Everyone loves an underdog. What do you think would happen to the TV ratings if Bill Elliot (I don't care for him either) started winning and being competitive again?

I do agree with you on Carl Long's penalty. It basically ruined his racing career. He and his team had nothing to do with that engine. It was a leased engine from a higher profile team that Carl's team was not even permitted to disassemble. I would've liked to have seen the owner of the engine step up and cover his fine. I think it was Ganassi but I'm not sure on that. It was a Dodge engine so that narrows it down. I guess it would've either been Ganassi or Penske.
I know NASCAR said they had to be consistent with their penalty process but I feel they need to take other things into consideration, such as intent.
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Dan Haynes · Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:49 am Post subject:

My list of drivers, based on driving ability and not accomplishments, are as follows:

1) Mark Martin (has been near the top for 20 years)
2) Tony Stewart (can win in anything with wheels)
3) Juan Montoya (can win in anything)
4) Jeff Gordon (has won everything)
5) Kevin Harvick (has won in everything)
6) Kyle Busch (can finish up front in junk but is stubborn)
7) Robby Gordon (can drive anything, but too stubborn)
Cool

Jimmie Johnson (stays out of trouble-car wise)
9) Jeff Burton (never a hero but never a zero)
10) Kasey Kahne (usually fast but occasionally crumbles)
These guys are close but not quite top ten. I'd have to put Dave Blaney, Brad Keselowski, Dale Jr., Denny Hamlin, Greg Biffle, and Marcus Ambrose all pretty close here.

Not that I'm a fan of Jimmie but when you put an 8 beside a closing parenthesis you see the result Wink

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Jeff DeMello · Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:00 am Post subject:

Bob Baldwin jr · Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Posts: 3579

Ric S : " Where is the JUSTICE here" Quite Frankly for Carl Long there was no justice there . He was ROYALLY SCREWED and RIPPED OFF. Under the OLD regime of Bill Sr. or Bill Jr .he would have been fined to the extent of a severe slap on the wrist in proportion to his overall income . Not sent to the POOR HOUSE . Just goes to show the Compassion that Brian France has ,He certainly could have intervened.

As relates to the leased engine deal ,What is a low budget/team to do ? the Team engine builders do get the pick of the litter leaving the NOT SO GOOD AS MOTORS to the independents

Being at the LOW end of the Food Chain goes as far as tech inspecting goes There always was and continues to be certain elements that are/were applicable to certain teams .I always felt it best to keep my mouth shut . Not that any of MY comments would have had any priorities anyhow . I certainly have got THE EVIL EYE from a few Crew Chiefs Laughing

But when The Evil Eye came from Bill Gazaway ,John Darby , Mike Helton or Bill F jr I certainly remembered my place in the Food Chain . Read into that what you will.
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