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Joe Brizzolara



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It went back to Talledega where Keslowski got into Edwards spun him out the same way plus the incident at the begining of the race was on his mind. IMHO that one was Edward's fault.

The lap before Edwards tried to get to Keslowski's rear bumper and missed. Also dumping someone in contention while being laps down makes it even more obvious.

Definitely not the right time for retaliation. It was as obvious as the teeth in his mouth. To add insult to injury he admitted it! He is going to get a severe penalty. Loss of substantial points and or parked for a race or two.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Way to go Carl.
Years ago runing stock cars on the dirt in the midwest, I finally had to start paying people back so they would stop knocking me around. Although not a dramatic as this incident, it stopped the BS. Hell this has been going on ever since NASCAR started. It's just part of stock car racing.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carl = Eddie Haskel with roid rage. Wrong time and place for that pay back move. I say two races.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the problem is that Edwards was responsible for both incidents, Talladega and the beginning of Atlanta. At Talledega Edwards admitted that he turned down on him in an attempt to block him and didn't have enough room. At Atlanta he admitted after seeing the replay that he didn't have enough room. He suggested that Brad could've backed off and gave him room but if you watch the replay it's obvious that he did back off, to the point that he almost got ran over from behind. nothing more he could've done there. why was Carl squeezing him so tight that early in the race? at Talledega the rules clearly state that you will be penalized if you go below the yellow line, ask Regan Smith about it. Brad had no other choice but to hold his line there.

i agree that Brad is overly aggressive at times, but not in these instances. i think Carl was frustrated and knew of Brads history and felt that it would be fair to take his aggressions out on him.

i think it was a bad decision to do it 1) at a track that fast, 2) to a guy that was having such a good run. getting revenge on a guy running mid-pack is fair but to take out a guy that had the potential to win the race?

remember Carls tirade against his own teammate, Matt Kenseth, a few years ago when he drew back to hit him in the face? Remember at Michigan a few years ago when Jr. got into him at the end of the race and Carl visited Jr. in Victory lane and grabbed him around the neck?

like i said, i like Carl but he's getting out of control and his temper needs to be dealt with.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Considering that Edwards was over 150 laps down I would have to put this move in the premeditated assault category not payback.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know Doug I wondered about that with his wt. lifting regimen, the other filmed outbursts, has a Roger Clemens smell to it doesn't it? Maybe Brian France should start testing the Carls of the NASCAR world as well as the Mayfields. I hold my breath and wait.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, Edwards had a lot of time to cool down and think about it. I don't care much for Edwards or Keslowski. I think the bigger new is Scott Speeds top 10 finishes moving him to 12th in points between Gordon and Earnhardt. AJ Almendinger did well with a 6th place finish, too.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Greg Wright wrote:
Considering that Edwards was over 150 laps down I would have to put this move in the premeditated assault category not payback.


I hope everyone realizes that if a spectator was hurt, Edwards probably would end up in the slammer, as this move goes way beyond anything that can be justified as being part of the rules of the game.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A couple of quick notes:

Did anyone ever read the back of a NASCAR ticket stub Question
As relates to the Edwards crash at Talledega ,there were spectators hurt and taken to the hospital .Some involving surgery or did some of you SLACKERS forget that Question
I still think Roush should fire his ASS . 3 strines and you are out Embarassed
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bob Baldwin jr wrote:
A couple of quick notes:

Did anyone ever read the back of a NASCAR ticket stub Question
As relates to the Edwards crash at Talledega ,there were spectators hurt and taken to the hospital .Some involving surgery or did some of you SLACKERS forget that Question
I still think Roush should fire his ASS . 3 strines and you are out Embarassed


Yes, but the liability is only limited. It says, "The holder of this ticket expressly assumes all risk incident to the event, whether occurring prior to, during or subsequent to the actual event and agrees that all participants, sanctioning bodies, and all employees, agents, officers and directors of the California Speedway Corporation, its' affiliates are hereby released from any and all claims arising from the event, including claims of negligence." The back of the ticket says a lot of things but it doesn't mean it will hold up in court. Laws vary from state to state. When we go to the race we assume that parts can leave the track on accident. When it comes to something intentional and reckless, that's a different story. That's not negligence. That is wanton and reckless. I don't think you can sign away those rights.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 2:47 pm    Post subject: edwards Reply with quote

Intentional acts are a horse of a different color. Insurance doesn't cover those. If Edwards hits a car on purpose and it hurts someone,then its on him. 'Specially if that hurt is off the racing surface. I would have visions of Jack Roush writing me a large check if I represented a fan with an injury or God forbid a fan's next of kin.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Edwards, who was immediately parked for his actions, had little to say after a postrace meeting with NASCAR. But he minced no words in a Facebook posting late Sunday night.

"My options," he wrote, "Considering that Brad wrecks me with no regard for anyones safety or hard work, should I: A-Keep letting him wreck me? B-Confront him after the race? C-Wait til bristol and collect other cars? or D-Take care of it now?

"I want to be clear that I was surprised at his flight and very relieved when he walked away.

Every person has to decide what code they want to live by and hopefully this explains mine."


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Earlier, Edwards spoke briefly with the media and attempted to explain his thinking.

"Brad knows the deal between him and I," Edwards said. "The scary part was his car went airborne, which was not at all what I expected. At the end of the day, we're out here to race and people have to have respect for one another and I have a lot of respect for people's safety.

"I wish it wouldn't have gone like it did, but I'm glad he's OK and we'll just go on and race some more and maybe him and I won't get in any more incidents together. That would be the best thing."
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no place on a race track for a driver with revenge as a motivator, let alone one who doesn't even realise the possible consequences of his actions. This attitude needs to be eliminated from the sport, and the best way to do that is to set an example.. Ban the guy for 12 months minimum !
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

in my opinion, as bad as what he did was, i don't think NASCAR will suspend him. i think he'll face a heavy fine (in the neighborhood of $150,000) be placed on probation until Dec. 31st, and be penalized 100 owner/driver points.

NASCAR has rarely ever suspended a guy unless it was for an illegal substance. the last i can think of was Harvick about 10 years ago in the Busch race when he jumped over the hood of Biffles car after the race and grabbed him around the neck. i don't think Jimmy Spencer even got suspended when he broke Kurt Busch's nose did he?

i think that their history in dealing with these types of altercations coupled with the fact that they said at the beginning of the year that they were going to loosen the reigns on the drivers and let them handle things themselves kind of set the bar.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dan Haynes wrote:
………


Knowing going into this, what the fans wanted, begged for, out-cried for, for the last few years, and now have -

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“NASCAR’s marketing campaign for 2010 is all about taking the gloves off and letting the drivers go back to being aggressive.”
- NASCAR PR Wire Pre-Daytona

"Boys, have at it, and have a good time."
- Robin Pemberton, VP of competition NASCAR

"…… but it will come to embody the spirit of a renewed "back-to-basics" initiative in which drivers are encouraged to be themselves and police themselves up to an as-yet-defined or crossed line."
- Robin Pemberton, VP of competition NASCAR

"This is a contact sport," NASCAR chairman Brian France said. "We asked ourselves, 'What can we do to open it up a little bit?' ... We're going to loosen it up."
- Brian France, CEO and chairman of NASCAR



- Carl gets a fine and probation, that’s it. If it’s more than that, I’ll be shocked.

And the Win-Win kicker? As of 2008, all NASCAR fines go to the NASCAR Foundation Charity, then dispersed accordingly. It’s like Carl writing a check to his favorite tax deductible charity.

The “as-yet-defined or crossed line“ is now crossed and defined.

NASCAR got exactly what they wanted. Free exposure in a weak entertainment industry economy.
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