IKF Road Race Grand Nationals Discussion

Greg Bargas · Joined: 09 Nov 2004 Posts: 71

Their wasn't any mention of raising hands eather during a race or shortly after finishing in the pre-race drivers meeting.

John Denman · Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 8:06 am Post subject:

As Tracy pointed out its tough to lose a Duffy over a subjective call.

Was it a bad call? I watched it and frankly it's not my place to judge, despite considering the offended driver an old racing friend. Do I disagree with the call? Yes. My opinion means nothing to the safety crew.

I can't ever recall a high profile event that I've attended that didn't have controversial calls by the officials. They have a job to do and not everyone will agree with the results.

There was a second controversial call that I haven't seen mentioned from the 80Jr race. Its not intended to stir anything up, just a point to make;

This is go-kart racing. Everyone does the best they can to win. Sometimes its just not your day to win. Everyday at the track its the racer's responsibility to be a good sportsman.

Overall the racing was pretty danged good and clean. Some bumping, but that was actually pretty well constrained at least everywhere I could see.

A few racers and tuners really stood out as the great sportsman that make this sport so enjoyable. Some won, some broke, some ran midpack.

Some of the officials also stood out as great sportsman. The same officials have made calls against our team that I disagreed with in the past. But I can't fault them, I can only thank them for making the events like these possible.
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Greg Bargas · Joined: 09 Nov 2004 Posts: 71

John, I agree with you. The key word in your post is (SPORTSMANSHIP). Was it miss in this case ?

Jason Lee · Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 8:23 am Post subject:

Greg Bargas · Joined: 09 Nov 2004 Posts: 71

Jason I didn't see anyone physically hurt. But maybe disappointed about the out come of the race. And no, It didn't effect the out come of the race.

In both Nick and Seans case, I believe good sportsmanship should have prevailed. Sometimes it takes a better person to say " you beat me fair and square".

Jason Lee · Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 9:17 am Post subject:

so because no one was physicaly hurt nothing should of been done?

I don't agree with the rule. but if your going to call nick on it earlier in the day u have to have consistency and call sean on it. Sean was the one that took the big hit though.

should sean not be peanalized because it cost him a duffy or because he supports that club? (no...in my opinion that's one of the major things wrong with karting today)

Mac didn't want to make the call but he knew it was the right thing to do.

twist it anyway u want. I still bet Sean knew better to do what he did.

I hope one day I can win a race on a sprint track so I can take both hands off the wheel.

Greg Bargas · Joined: 09 Nov 2004 Posts: 71

This is the last I will say about this issue. Again it goes back to sportsmanship.

On Wednesday Rotax Heavy race, the same race results happen but with a different driver finishing in second place. In fact we have the finish on tape. The second place driver could have protested the finish and won him a Duffy but didn't.

I know this isn't a perfect world but at some point when issue as such as this comes up. It's how you handle those issues that will define you. I've taught that to my son who also races. When racing be a good sportsman and make good choice.

It's all about sportsmanship!!!!

David Bauder · Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:22 am Post subject:

Dennis Tapp · Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:05 am Post subject:

I CAN'T BELIEVE THE 2ND PLACE DRIVER WOULD EVEN TAKE THE DUFFY

Jason Lee · Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:29 am Post subject:

Tim Doll · Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:35 pm Post subject:

Lyle Clark · Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:47 pm Post subject:

David Hunter · Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:53 pm Post subject:

I hesitate to enter this, but I think it's relevant to ask, were there other cars on the track that were still racing?

The race isn't over until the last man crosses the line.

Not to take any side in this, but just to point out that the argument isn't as sound as we'd like.

Dennis Tapp · Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:54 pm Post subject:

The race director can make any decision he wants but the racer can also make decisions. I for one would not feel that good looking up at that Duffy, knowing how it got on my shelf. Being beat with an illegal engine and winning in tech is one thing but winning because of a celebration is not much of a victory.

Bernie Adamson · Joined: 20 Jun 2003 Posts: 3001

Gentlemen,

Let me state this now : I AM NOT TAKING ANYONE'S SIDE...although i do have questions :

IN THE EVENT OF ANY OF THE FOLLOWING HAPPENING ARE YOU SERIOUSLY TELLING ME THAT YOUR RULES WOULD DQ THEM ?

5.11 Signaling: A competitor is required to know and employ hand signals when operating their kart on the track. The following signals shall be used:

5.11.1 One arm raised in the air: A competitor shall place one arm over their head to signal following competitors of a hazardous condition ahead or when they or another competitor are slowing abnormally, pulling off course, not accelerating properly or entering the pits.

5.11.2 Both arms above the head: A competitor shall raise both arms above their head in a waving motion if they inadvertently come to a stop on the course in the path of oncoming karts as an indication they will not proceed from that position until all have passed and they can safely proceed.

5.11.3 Pointing: A competitor shall point in the direction they intend to proceed to overtake a slower kart, thus signaling a following competitor during a “sling shot pass” of a slower kart. If a competitor recognizes a potential hazard on a kart ahead or behind them they shall signal the driver of the kart, the flag person, and corner workers by pointing to the kart. If a competitor cannot pass a slower kart because the slower kart is blocking, the competitor shall signal the flag person by raising one hand and pointing to the kart.

5.11.4 Patting the helmet: Competitors shall pat the top of their helmet repeatedly with one hand to signal the corner workers and race officials that an incident involving a fellow competitor has occurred and immediate medical attention is probably required.

(Part of USKGP Rules & Regs)
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