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Kathy Gerst



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As part of a Jr driver team, I know the guys appreciated the extra lap time and the pre-final race. I, as the mom of the young racer, just required more TUMs Laughing

My son ran this race last year for the first time, and he loved it. We were back this year, and already making plans for next year. This is one of those races that is addicting. I have told several others that even if they don't race it, just come to watch it. Rock Island Grand Prix is an class act Event!

To be honest, racing makes me (the mom) nervous, and street racing even more so. If it weren't for the safety features that the RIGP crew builds in, and my sons love of this race, we wouldn't do it. Thank you all for all you do. I know that planning this race takes most of the year, and it truly is a thankless job most of the time. Please take any criticism as just a way to improve for the future and not a personal attack on this year. If we all didn't love the RIGP and what you do, we wouldn't keep coming back.

Keep up the great work, and thank you all for another great race weekend.
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Terry Riggins



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Todd Bolton:
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Extra track time??? Same amount of sessions just extended them?? Most racers want more sessions not longer sessions...Qualifying was WAY TO LONG this year....In the first session of Supercan Hvy I did 14 laps...Thats more than we race(12)....Also another suggestion....Since most classes are 35-36 second range... how about making the races 20-25 lap races.....12 is just to short on a 30 second track...JMO and food for thought...


Rick Fulks:
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Todd Bolton is right. (listen to this experienced veteran) RACERS would rather have more (shorter) sessions, than fewer (longer) sessions. And yes, qualifying could be shortened. Allow enough time for approx 7 laps. That's all that is really needed.



Todd and all, thanks for the suggestions. I know that the qualifying
was too long. Our problem for adding a 3rd Sat session of practice
is not just adding another 6 or 8 lap session, its actually more about
the down time between and pick ups.

Sounds like everyone would like to have a 3rd session and a shorter qualifying session.

Lots of great comments.

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jeff corson



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Terry Riggins wrote:


Sounds like everyone would like to have a 3rd session and a shorter qualifying session.


Terry Riggins



I agree. A 3rd 5-8 minute session, and 5 lap qualifying.
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Keith Bridgeman



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also vote for three practice seasons on Sat and a 5 lap qualifing.
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Pat Kelly



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in favor of shorter quals for sure. But what Terry tried to say is that turnover & pickup time means they can't just lop 7-8 laps off qual and give another 7-8 lap practice (using shifters as an example, where practice ran 7-8 and in Moto qual was 13 laps). So is everyone on board for 5-lap practice and qual sessions, for example? Again, it would be okay with us... Or hell, I'd go for one 7-lap P session followed by two 4-lap sessions. First one to get acclimated a little better, others are just checking changes. But all competitors/classes gotta be on the same page.

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Timothy Fields



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with both of Rick Fulks' post. Very well said. Congrats on your win as crew chief and to Michele.
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Jordon Musser



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shorter qual
shorter (but another) practice.

Longer main? only if you smooth the jump leading on the main straight.. LOL Smile


lappers.. the BIG difference (spoken from experience) between lapping in karts and lapping in cars is two fold. 1) MIRRORS 2) RADIOS. The driver being lapped knows a LOT more about what is going on. It still amazes me that lappers can't just GTFO of the way, but they can't.. maybe it stems from the reason they are being lapped during a sprint race.. dunno..

Maybe the back 10% of the field after qual should be required to have one rear view mirror :-p (kidding!)
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Doug Harden



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What if you HAD to qualify within some small percentage of the top 3-5 karts or you DON'T qualify?
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Ernie Epperson



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is another idea Idea

How about having 2 short practice sessions, with a short 4 lap qualifying, and 8 lap pre-final. It gives spectators a better show, and will increase the crowds on Saturday.

It would increase sales for the venders, and gives the fans a taste of what's going to happen on Sunday.

It also gives a racer a second chance to better themselves if they were off on qualifying.

And gives Rob Howden chance to get the crowd worked up into a frothing frenzy one day early Laughing

It can be done.

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Johnny Johnson



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

5 Laps is a bit short for qualifying for a 30-35 second track. 7 or 8 would be about right. The tires aren't even up to temp before lap 3.

Although I didn't have lap traffic problems in recent years, it did affect me two times before. I believe it cost me the win both times. I could see both sides of the argument here. The guys up front want lap traffic out of the way, and the guys getting lapped want to be out there as much as possible.

If you throw in an extra time on the track, either a pre-final or another practice session, it might give the RIGP officials the reason to remove lappers. This way everyone gets those extra 5-6 laps, and if you get lapped you usually are getting the flag with 5 or 6 to go, or less.

My 2 cents....
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