Official Discussion Thread - Rotax Grand Nationals

Joey Gennari · Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:09 pm Post subject:

This extremely old diagram should close the discussion on wether the piston is "under" the seal or not.

don johnson · Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:42 pm Post subject:

Thanks Joey

If you pay someone to do a job you would hope its done correctly. I guess its not always the case and items like the seal are something we should check.

I watched Kyle install one or two I think I'll leave that up to him he's the expert, it does not look like an easy job at all.

Congrats to Jarvis
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Doug Fleming · Joined: 04 Dec 2003 Posts: 1995

I don't understand the red flag for rain. Last year same thing. It starts to rain, red flag to change to tires of YOUR choice. Restart then it rains again and throws another flag for rain. This screws the guys that made the right choice and are moving back up thru the field. Maybe someone could explain this to Me because I must be new Cool

As for the DQ's I heard that Erik Jackson's engine had the balance shaft out of time. And it had the ORIGINAL factory seal on it. I don't think that was much of a performace item Shocked

Factory's fault Joe Karter pay's?

As for Cameron's seal it would be hard to let that go. Many engine builders think (voodoo) that it is better that way and do it and is legal on other engines.

Piston in backwards? DOH Embarassed

Time for a change in service centers.

One good thing is nobody got caught really cheating, (you know heavy cranks, lite cranks, special electronic's, fuel)

I think this is a great program and it brings alot of great Drivers together. I wish it was a three race series. One west, one east and one central. Three races would take out much of "wrecker or checker" racing. And after three races most likley the best will win.
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David Odenthal · Joined: 12 Oct 2006 Posts: 14

I must agree Doug. Mike Rolison had a set-up on his drfiver that was ideal for wet track w/ slicks. Then when it got wet they threw red & checkered. Not even letting the karts go a whole lap before stopping the race.

Back in the day we raced in the rain without rain tires. Cool

Also, wanted to say that Alex Raine drove his ass off to win the Masters class.

Great Drive Alex! Twisted Evil

It was a pleasure working with you.

And a special thank you to Mike Rolison. Alex & I couldn't have done it without the great program Mike had built! Smile

It was a team victory all the way.
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Doug Welch · Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:31 pm Post subject:

I think some of us have lost perspective. The last guy I heard of that never made a mistake got his butt nailed to a cross. Yes there were more dq's than I would like to have seen. But as Doug pointed out, there were no out right attempts at cheating. Rather, they were most likely simple mistakes made by normal everyday humans trying to do the best they can.

In no way do I look down my nose at those who unfortunately suffered the embarrassment of a dq. In my mind, it does not negate the excellent effort of the driver. The infraction was not why they were where they were. I also do not think that any of the drivers who were found non-compliant benefited by their infraction. However, the nature of spec racing is one where everyone has to be very, very sharp. In the heat of battle, mistakes are made and the penalty is harsh, maybe even unfair. Maybe we are asking for perfection in an imperfect world, I'm not sure.

But I do know this, we are way, way to quick to look for a goat, an excuse, or for some one to take the blame. Sometimes, it's just a honest mistake. Sometimes there is no reason, it just is.

For some guys, it was their day. Lets congratulate them for it. For some, it was the worst of days. Let us feel their pain, for but different circumstances, we could be right there with them. But we should not pass judgment, we are not qualified to do so.
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David Odenthal · Joined: 12 Oct 2006 Posts: 14

I agree completely Doug Welch. I thought the Rotax tech rep. was gettting a little too picky Crying or Very sad

I think there should be some room for intent to cheat. Especially when there is no possible gain from the infraction. Although I don't know the exact details of all the DQ's.

It is always the driver or teams responsiblity to be compliant to the rules. That means picking someone who has a good reputation and that you can trust to build your Nationals motors. I have seen it happen many times at national events, because most racers motors don't get completely teched until they do well at a nationals & BAM! DQ'ed.

I really sucks. Evil or Very Mad

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Bruce Woodrow · Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:27 am Post subject:

Mike Beason · Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:20 am Post subject:

Having been a service center for 5 years and sending several engines to the nationals with drivers i knew could run up front, I have always had nightmares about a simple mistake that could ruin a teams week. This happened in 05 with David Holland regarding a crankshaft width issue. I have always felt the Rotax tech was the toughest we ever faced, but you should also be glad its this way and not the opposite. When you get beat at this race you know you got beat fair and square. I might add in the Holland case the decision was appealed and the ruling reversed. Doug is right the tech issues probably were not performance enhancing, but just mistakes.

Dav Mann · Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:51 am Post subject:

Cameron,

Just wanted to say we feel your pain, keep your head up...
You drove a very fine race and are very deserving of a place on America's team.

Best,

Dav

Kris Zimmerman · Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:14 am Post subject:

Brandon Scheiber · Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:32 am Post subject:

we know what happened to cameron but there were 2 other DQ's in the junior class . What were these for ?
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Pete Mottaz · Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:57 am Post subject:

Having never competed at this level in karting, I'm curious if, in this or any other event like it, there is a way to protest a course worker decision.

Or is what they decide final and a competitor has no recourse?

Thanks,
Pete

Andre Martins · Advertiser Joined: 02 Oct 2001 Posts: 509

Its called ROTAX by the Ramos.

1- The race should not have been red flagged, it was a wet race.
2- The Arrow Karts the Marcels drove were not the homologated karts.
3- If the race had ended on a red flag, the 19th lap is the end of the race.
4- A driver should not be DQ on a heat race for putting back his chain.
5- A Service center that was found to have a piston backwards 2 weeks before should not be allowed to stay as a service center.

Its just some of the issues that happened and they make the call they want and its ok.
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Pete Mottaz · Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:57 am Post subject: