Rules for G1

Robert1 Naylor · Joined: 27 Jul 2001 Posts: 88

The age for G-1 should at the least go back to the original age (some people cried hard enough to get it lowered so they would have a better chance of winning) and OEM ignitions used just as they were suppose to be originally. Also The G classes should be allowed to run 6" tires since these classes have no common associations with European karting.

Jeff Payne · Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2001 12:29 pm Post subject: Rules for G1

I don't agree with the 6 inch tire idea. It's great that so many of the classes are running the same tire, much easier to find them stocked in the local shops.

I also think the motor rules should be the same as either an S1 or S2 class, whenever we find out what they'll be. However, if the new S2 rules get away from the motorcross motors, it won't matter IMO.

Gary Kozuma1 · Joined: 26 Jul 2001 Posts: 386

quote:
Originally posted by Jeff Payne:
I don't agree with the 6 inch tire idea. It's great that so many of the classes are running the same tire, much easier to find them stocked in the local shops.

I also think the motor rules should be the same as either an S1 or S2 class, whenever we find out what they'll be. However, if the new S2 rules get away from the motorcross motors, it won't matter IMO.

Thanks Jeff,

Just so you know, the S2 class will have different rules than S1. However, the basis in moto motors won't change. So let's say there are a couple of performance limits that are put into place, like no PI and 11cc min. At that point would you say G1 should be based on S1 (same as the SP pro class) or S2?

Thanks,

Gary K.

Jeff Payne · Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2001 1:29 pm Post subject: Rules for G1

Gary, I'm just thinking that the fewer engine packages the better. Given the two alternatives, I'd go S2.

I just want to have a competitive engine, then go and find some quicker times with the chassis and driving skills. But a competitive engine seems to have the biggest impact from the "package". I'm thinking the fewer engine rules across the classes, the better an engine builder can leverage their time and talent, and the cheaper and easier it'll be for me.

Joe Galyon · Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2001 8:21 pm Post subject: Rules for G1

Current rules for G1 seem just fine to me. The only difference in G1 and S2 is the carb and I need a little edge to make up for the weight! I vote no to the 6" tires, availabilty and higher cost is an issue, additionally, I do not want to be forced to purchase new wheels. IMO, the more stable the rules are, the better off we'll all be.

Gary Kozuma1 · Joined: 26 Jul 2001 Posts: 386

So what should the G1 rules be? Right now, we race with SP motor rules, YGC's and 10 added lbs.

Your thoughts?

Robert1 Naylor · Joined: 27 Jul 2001 Posts: 88

I didn't mean 6" only. G-1 ought to be open tires and definitely never have parc ferme. I was forced to get 5" when SKUSA changed the rules to benefit a few teams that were cryin about testing costs. It don't make any sense to be in the 125 class and attempt to save $10 on a set of tires. G-1 should be a 40+ class where a bunch of older guys can race to just have fun! I remember back when Don Janowski was asking competitors if they were having fun. Some of the G-1 competitors take it serious like its a life or death situation that they be in front. Leave that for the pups. What's wrong with keeping this class as simple and accessable as possible?

Todd Bellew · Joined: 26 Jul 2001 Posts: 2902

Jeff your talking way to much sense. You must have been forced away from the go kart track for some reason. lol

Couple thoughts I had. I think the age should be a little lower actually. Definately not higher. The class size is not that large and exclusion of at least half or more of the field is not healthy. Guys that are as young as 30 aren't really the young guns people are really wanting not to race against. There are a few Super Pros that are well in their thirties but, they aren't going to enter G1 either.

The "vet" class in MX is 30 and over. And the most popular. It's competitve, as should be G1. The rules just give ages, not mandatory Sunday driving. And guys in there 30's AND 40's can still really go for it.

AS far as 6 inch tires I remember when we quit using them. I didn't like it much but, it's better with out them. ANd we had a few karts in the mid 90's that were working better on 6 inch than 5 inch. However, the big difference was that at the time large tire companies were actively bettering both sizes.

In Europe it was already evident that having two tires sizes cost EVERYONE more money. So they excluded 6 inch tires. Today the Firestone 6 inch tires are virtually the same as they were in 1996, no real market(with exclusion in Europe). 5 inch tires today have technology passed down from F1 over the last several years. They are much better tires.

And for a long time people held on the idea that 6 inch tires were better on long tracks. But, last year Bobby Wilson won the long track nationals on 5 inch MG's.

To the 6 inch tires defense, Sean patrick Flannery was one of the fastest cars in the second race. HE had YFF's on. However, it blistered and he lost the race. That tends to be unusual though for them.

PLus, it can't be understated that less tires choices REALLY helps kart shops. Tires are a major league drain on small kart shops. SO it greatly benefits availablity from more dealers. This is important. I remember always trying to find that NEW latest tire and who ever had them were Golden.

My Opinion, Thanks.

Todd Bellew

Dale Nickos · Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2001 3:49 am Post subject: Rules for G1

Im for making the G1 Class 30 and over Just like Todd said the MX class was. Im 30 and run in the G2(BIG GUY) division, But there isn't a good turn out and will probably go away. Ialso dont want to race against the guys in their teens and twenties...They are looking to advance. I'm looking to race and have fun.
So 30 and over with the same rules we h ave now.

This sound reasonable or far fetched.

KUTSCH · Joined: 08 Aug 2001 Posts: 3

Gary,dont think we should change anything.This is the first year we run MG tires. $145 a set+they last along time .$160-170 a set for YGC.Everybody seems to like them.I like when there are no limited rules,many guys will pick up a used s1 or sp cart and dont want to buy new ignitions or carbs. As of age???? Last year it was 38,mellow,less replacment of parts.This year with 35 its been pretty wild,some G1 events 25 entries,its gets busy.I think there are many guys out there that are to fast for s3 but need to go back to work on monday don want race the s2 young ones.Keeping it around 35 is OK.see you at the next mission race.take care-----tom

David Tallant · Joined: 18 Jul 2001 Posts: 35

You want to run with the "geezers", you should be at least 40. Even at that I have to give up 10 years.

John Denman · Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2001 6:42 pm Post subject: Rules for G1

G1 should be a true Masters class (age 40+) and based on S1 or S2 motor rules. I have a Tony Extreme/Honda and dry it weighs in around 195 lbs. So given 7 lbs for suit helmet and shoes and another 3 lbs for a little leftover fuel, and the driver is overweight at 191 lbs.

It would seem this is a perfect class for the Dad (or Mom) to run yes? How many Dads do you see at the track that weigh in under 200 lbs?

5" wheels, YGC tires.

A low cost PI & programmer is on the way so whatever makes everyone else happy is fine by me.

Charlie Tackett · Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2001 7:20 am Post subject: Rules for G1

Hey, Todd...while on vacation in the UP, I almost entered an Enduro event up there (cycle enduro) and they were going to let me enter the "Super" Senior class...50+.
I can tell you this much, at 50, I would not want to race agianst myself at 40!

Bill Martin · Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2001 5:45 pm Post subject: Rules for G1

Don't be a tease, John! What is "low cost"? If you aren't ready to go public, fine, how about a clue via e-mail...

Bill

quote:
Originally posted by John Denman:
G1 should be a true Masters class (age 40+) and based on S1 or S2 motor rules. I have a Tony Extreme/Honda and dry it weighs in around 195 lbs. So given 7 lbs for suit helmet and shoes and another 3 lbs for a little leftover fuel, and the driver is overweight at 191 lbs.

It would seem this is a perfect class for the Dad (or Mom) to run yes? How many Dads do you see at the track that weigh in under 200 lbs?

5" wheels, YGC tires.

A low cost PI & programmer is on the way so whatever makes everyone else happy is fine by me.

Guido Duerbaum · Guest

Go with 30 and over on the age and delete the stupid rule that if you had an S1 license you need to be out of racing at least for one year before you can run G1. This is a class that it's entry is based on "age" and not performance. Some of the older guy's in S1 don't want and can keep up with the kid's either.
This is an member loosing rule!!!!
Who get's out of it for one year and then has to get back in it, very expensive.