Spec Shifter Class

[Brad Richards]

I'm hearing a lot about a Spec Shifter class. Can anyone shed some light on this for me?
1) What sanctioning body is promoting this (SKUSA, STARS, IKF)?
2) Is it Bone stock? Are there any rules posted anywhere?
3) How on earth are they going keep them stock without intense scrutineering?

I'd love it if this took off.

Used to run shifter back in the old days. Went Rotax, ended up spending as much money having my squish set and top ends done by so called "Auth Repair Center"

[Tenny Kwok]

ProKart Challenge just completed it's second race at Moran, under SKUSA rules and sanction, and had over 22 Stock Moto's show up to the last race. Alex Barron came and turned a time that would have put him 4th on the G-1 grid. I don't know if he was torn down, but I would have to assume Alex would be legal, so as not tarnish his reputation, if they did tear him down. So check SKUSA rules for definition of Stock.

It was my first race with a stock moto and I think the class is great. And I firmly believe (no, I know!) that it will cost less over a season than to run a Rotax (no worry about starters, clutches, batteries, having to pay someone to tear it down, etc). Most of my karting associates were in Rotax last year and spent much more than I did, and I had a mid tune CR125. I think Stock Moto will grow by leaps and bounds, but maybe not at the club level, yet.

[Brian Kay]

[Greg Nelson]

Stock moto sound good, in the upper midwest the ICC shifters have decimated the local tracks, Badger Kart Club now gives moto based shifters a 10 lb advantage (not really enough) to try an entice racers with motos sitting in their garages back to the track so they have full classes. Box stock moto at the local club level sounds great. One thing that all kart racers need to do is demand a standard rules at all tracks and maybe having some competitive options (choices) on tires, oil, pipes, etc. One of the great joys I had when I raced MX years ago was going to different tracks. I raced on at least 25 different tracks over the years from MN to FL, I even raced one year at the Pontiac Silverdome. Karting is expanding, look at all the new tracks in the last five years up here in the mid-west alone-New Castle, USA Raceway, the B&S track at Road America, plans for a new track by Detroit. Right now I only run Norway, and I rarely get the $ to do that. Norway is a MG tire track, BKC the next closest track is a Bridgestone only track. I can get MG's for less, so Norway is it. I can't really afford having new tires each weekend, so I baby the ones I have for as long as I can. I wouldn't mind having fresh rubber more often if I could get a set of Burris, or Vega's or something for less. My question is why can't someone figure out what Bridgestone, Burris, MG, Vega, Maxxis or what ever else is out there are about equal and let the the racer make a choice, competition is good.
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[Chris Daniels]

Greg, will you be coming up to USAIR in Shawano to race Phil Gordons mini series?...his spec tire is a MG

[Todd Bellew]

I personally teched Alex Barron's kart. And I had to feel bad. I've known Alex for a while and was the last person I would have ever expected to cheat. And he wasn't.

I measured his carb bore and inspected the reed cage, intake port and removed the pipe and inspected for porting. And of course made sure he was running correct ignition pipe etc. Along with the way his fuel, weight and tires were inspected.

The most amazing thing I took away after the event was the times in the final event of Barrons and Speeds. This was one situation where drivers were both using the equipment in the 95 percent range.

Speed 1:03.1 Barron 1:04.1 . ONE second and thats on a mile track. Also, Speed used yhb tires and Barron the spec yellows. While the Yellows are very good tires they were never meant to be competitive against the B, they have other tires for that. Jaskol did qualify pole on yellows against speed but he reported to me they just didn't have the grip afterwards, and I didn't expect it.
So in reality there was probably less than one sec difference(on a huge track) between an arsenal of the best motors in the country and a lowly stock honda. And on the track you couldn't tell any difference in speed. The racing was every bit as exciting to watch and fun to race.

Interesting stuff. Stock moto looks to be a great thing.

Thanks,
Todd Bellew

[Ryan Dahl]

Todd,
Don't forget Alex had a 10lbs disadvantage. Spec is 385 Primere is 375.

[Roger Miller]

Northern California Karters is supporting a Stock CR125 class in road racing.

The rules and stuff are posted on the website here:

http://www.nckroadracing.com/index.html

Go towards the bottom.

We also had a promotion going - a great price on the engine and race entry fees package.

[Slava Prikhodko]

Primier weight is 385.
Also LAKC has a spec 125 shifter class

[Phillip Gordon]

Chris thanks for the plug....the bigger the fields the bigger the prize money

Greg.....I don't know how cheap you can get MG tires but if you sign up to run my Masters Pro Series at Trane (4 races) or USAIR (4 races), the first two sets of yellows is only $225 with your paid membership. There is a spec CR125 class (SKUSA rules) at 400lbs....cash payout to top 5.

Feel free to e-mail me for more details: CoolBreezeRacer@aol.com

[Oscar Aguilera]

Joe Ramos called me the other day and asked me what direction karting was going? I told him to the Spec 125 direction. He now sponsors the Spec Formula class on the Pro kart challenge series.

not really but it sounded good?

Anyways, thanks for the kind words on my driving and tuning abilities. My wife says i am the best driver out there. Of course I tell her I win everytime I come home so that she knows I am not wasting my money. lol.

Anyone can buy my motor package as soon as I exit the track.
The motor in question belongs to me, I bought it and pay for all my racing equipment. According to my motor builder, the thing will go 6 races until it needs a top end. I change the tranny fluid after every race, other than that it is jet and go.

You can buy a race ready Hi-tech motor, pipe silencer, assembled w/igntion for $3800. Add $400 for pump around, or $250 with no pump around.

You then need mount, j-arm, counter shaft sprocket, airbox, and a kart with radiator.

I will be in Denton this weekend. I am going to run the red freeline two hole airbox this time. It has a filter and I was told you only lose a little bottom end. I would rather save the motor. I would just assume use a filter all the time and no airbox, but that is IMO.

Call me for mine or Paul Leary for new.

I also run Rotax and it is cheaper. I take into account tires, brake pads and the rotax is less to get into in the first place. A 125 goes through much more wear and tear. More crap to fall off, and it will. Much more before race prep about twice as much. My time has a dollar value also.

Neither one of these karts is NO maintenance.

oscar
832-250-3806

[Chris DeCicco]

columbia sportswear series introduced the spec series a couple weeks ago, and i think 5-6 drivers showed up, including two of the three 80cc kids who dominated last year (kayd Straly and Matt Mullbreight), along with our local tuner Mike Rollison and the guy who dominated TaG senior Aaron Neliton. It was the best race i have seen in awhile, and they have already added Spec heavy to the schedule, and two or three guys are gonna do that (maybe more). And its very possible i might end up there as well
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[Kayd Straley]

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[Tom Tlusty]

I'll be running in the NW later this season, pick up the kart tomorrow. Stock moto is what got me to buy a kart, been looking at it for a couple of years but the maintenance costs of a built engine plus the moto versus icc stuff made me hold off. I would probably never gotten a kart if it weren't for stock moto.