Daytona results?

[randall johnson]

Its an engineering sport we have one on the last classes on the planet
thats not a spec class. Lets not destroy that.
Johnny I am not full of BS by any means.
It was all in line until I hit the wall.
Not Riley's fault, Not Rocky's fault..Its Mine.
I don't care if you kick me around but Riley and Rocky are guys who
went out of there way to help me , they are a true Inventive Engineers in my book.
Not just some guy working out of his Garage.
I had an off race,.... like you never have?The BRC Engine Is fast
But when I walled it I broke somthing ,it would fall on its face on top end after that. Its fixed now we will play some more later.
Come on , play nice.

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[randall johnson]

One of the last classes on the planet thats not a spec. class.( Sorry)

[Johnny West]

Randee, I never knocked Riley or Rocky. I asked YOU, BEFORE we grid if everything was good to go. YOU said it was ready. results proved differently. I don't get on the list and boust on how I am gonna kick but. I do the best I can,and congradulate who ever wins. I don't make excuses. I call em' like I see em. Yes, you are right we need to play nice. I thought I was until I read some of the posts. I am looking forward to this season. I hope you can make all the events. Good Luck I hope your feeling well.
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Johnny West/West Racing

[michael beamer]

Johnny , as I recall Randee asked on this forum what the rules for this class was. He was told by John F. that this was a WKA UNLIMITED 250 twin class.I find it kind of humerous that you situp guys show up at Daytona a classic laydown track and take it upon yourself to tell the laydowns to go away.Until a couple years ago situp 250s weren't even allowed.Unfortunalely this seems to be the attitude of the Fe/ICE crowd , repay the laydown guys generosity by trying to boot them out of their own race. With the measily turnout in this class it seems you would want everybody you could get.This is WKA UNLIMITED NOT a spec WSK boring format that is being shoved down everybodies throat in JRs series .JRs kart is about as close to a full body laydown as you can get with a wing and a situp seat.I applaud Randees attempt at originality instead being a cow following the herd.Like I said before if this spec idea is so popular why does it seem to need our Unlimited class to exist ?

Just some friendly questions
BEAMER

[Robert Lawson]

I don't think JW or anyone else was trying to keep anyone from running whatever type of kart they brought to Daytona. I reminded him Daytona was not a WSK race and the rules were as such. Confused maybe, but not excluding anyone.

Let me also state it is my idea to build JW a laydown FE, afterall how can having my name attached to that be bad????? Gary knows I'll test his skills with mine. We've been friends since I was poopin yellow, he's like another Dad to me. I just hope Johnny can afford what I'd like to do for him.

RPM

[michael beamer]

Robert , thats the point, if we are not careful their are some attitudes out there that would not let you do that. At this point I am not going to sit around silently while a few people try to force their spec ideas on the world. I don't include Johnny in that category as he usually thinks the less rules the better, but in this case ????? I've already seen what giving an inch results in ,I just dont want to lose the whole mile !

BEAMER

[Robert Lawson]

I hear ya, me and Paluzzi talked about the laydowns and "the day" before being over run by sprinters and their "crossover" BS!

I don't care if we had 1 day events just to be rid of thoes short track minds that cause nearly all red flags at road race events. Keep them at the sprint tracks as far as I'm concerned, we wouldn't need 3 and 4 day events if it were just laydowns. And for thoes who will say it can't be done without them...............piss off. Sure it can, just not like it is now.

RJ, got your note....let me know when your ready.

RPM

[ted dale]

Come on girls play nice. As far as JRs Kart goes it is not a laydown. Yes it has a full body if you call a 4 peice body full. The difference beeing it does not park in the corners like most laydowns. Because he can see around the corners. It is a sit up just with a cool body. I havent read all the rules for this year i just build the stuff and dont get involved with that stuff but i dont have a problen racing with laydowns. I just think thay should be scored diferently. A laydown with a wing is still a laydown. 156 mph in a straight line is insanly fast but what was the lap times. At that speed you should be in the 1.50s at daytona. So what was your time if it was over 2mins it just goes to prove thay park in the corners ,,,Well that my 2cent and as i said this is just my opinion not my drivers

[Robert Lawson]

Notice I mention "sprinters" the FE and IC/E are not what I consider sprint karts or "crossover" karts. JR has a beautiful machine as well do all the FE guys.

We of the old school will always carry a chip I suppose....... and I am playin nice

RPM

[randall johnson]

Robert
I love the Idea of A 250 twin laydown Build off between You And Gary Kramb.
Oh the humanity!
I am going to Kershaw in March with the Laydown WKA 250 twin.
I will have rear wings on it and a new nose design on it.
I will also meet the other body rules. ( Drivers faring , sterring wheel height)
I don't understand what the consern is with laydown.
Not every one can drive one. & At the shorter tracks sit ups
are quicker.
We do it because we love it .
Its also cool to see/read all the fist pounding , finger pointing, I , I ,I ,
Me , Me ,ME , Then I , and what about Me, going on.
Its all good fun!
Also did you guys see Kenny Douyche's home build Anderson
Modified ICE 250 at Daytona?
I loved it , all the same red stars and Kennys style of graphics.
He put in a Super effort getting that ready for the Daytona race also.
Yet had some new kart shake down issues as well.Nice job Kenny. Classic!

[randall johnson]

I will attempt to insert image's of the laydown....Drum roll please

[Andy Kiker]

If someone is looking for a 250 laydown that is already built
The laydown I ran my 250 single on is just sitting collecting dust.
It would hold a 250 twin very nicely. All 1 1/4" tubing and full bodywork with 40mm axle. All ready to go.

[George Sunderland]

My mess broke early like many others and I'm not trash talking but you guys arfe uunnreal. The fact IS Like most unlimited type kart races, a 100cc controlled would have done quite well (3rd) by the time the checker came out. But what's the fun in that? And, that's even after the races were shortened to an absurdly short time. What makes unlimited racing fun is everybody has a different idea and formula and we have a place to try our idea out (for now).

With the way the 250s are fragmenting anybody who spends too much money on one right now is a damn fool since the numerous camps will prevent us from all ever running togeather and 4-7 karts events won't cut it in the long-term. So, unless people wise up, we'll all be bench racing from our garages in a year or two which is where the 250s ended up in the late '80s. FYI, we had a radar gun in the sweeper and I've got news for you guys. There were other classes including some piston ports who were carrying more speed through that part of the course than almost all the FE's and ICE's sit-up or laydown. So as far as parking it in the corners, its not limited to one particular kind of kart. This is understandable and I often do it myself since I have to retrieve my balls from my throat after whoaing it down from the long straight. W better wise up or the party will be over for another 10 years. Laydown, suit-up body no body bring it on and have fun. And once or twice every 20 years I win one of these things.

[Charlie Tackett]

I totally agree thatthere is indeed a place for laydown karts. A place where straightline speed rules, technology can reign supreme, and you don't even have to worry at all about all of them parking them in the corners like abunch of shopping karts. It's called Bonneville...its where laydowns belong!! Leave race tracks that have turns to karts that can actually turn!!!!So, there, Robert, (just given you sh!!)

Seriously know............who gives a rats behind about what someone else wants to do. If WKA unlimited wants to run laydown 250s, so what let them. If either of the JR's want to run only semi-sit-up FE/ICE style karts, so what? What the he!! business of it of anyone else's what JR-C, JR-O, or Eddie/Wayne do as far as setting up there classes??? You don't like it, then knock yourselfs out and go them one better and set up your own class series. Robert was jealous of all the attention 125 sprint shifters got, so he worked hard, developed a series as a shoot off of another laydown 125 series, and has worked hard to promote the style of racing he likes. WE've tried a laydown and didn't care for it. We didn't bitch and piss and moan and belittle and insult all the laydown drivers because Robert wouldn't let us run our 125 sprinter in his class. He wanted a class for 125 laydowns, so more power to him. There is absolutely no need to insult and put down others with different prefrences, you can promote what you like without insulting others. There's a hell of a lot of folks on here that simply and plainly put need to grow-up!

[George Sunderland]

I find it ironic to hear sit-up guys complain about parking it in turns. That was mycomplaint about sit-up Zip 250's almost 20 years ago when we ran Rockingham and I was in a B-Limited laydown. OK I AM trash talking now. I could drive Rockingham. I lived 15 miles away and had as much track time at the place as Petty. The guard would let us come over and test almost any weekday. Turned :58-:59s there. About the only other guys under a minute were Scott Jacumin, Jerry McCart and Dick Charest. Anyway, trailbraking a hooked up laydown off the oval we would always have trouble running into the back of parked Sit-up 250s. So now I hear complaints about laydowns parking it? Trash talking mode off......The radar doesn't lie. I'll check with Rex on specific speeds but I'm telling you there were several laydown classes (and the SKUSA type 125s) who were consistently faster ( a lot fasrter) than almost every FE/ICE kart through the right hand sweeper. Of course the tables turned when they stood on it off the turn. I don't dislike sit-up ICE's. I own 2 myself. I just think there's strength in numbers rather than dividing all the itme. And its absurd to hear one group complain about the other and say they are incompatible. If Daytona prototypes can run in the same race as GTs, laydowns and sit-ups can run togeather. Talented drivers know how ot take advantages of their cars strong parts. Have funn,do your thing. But don't cry when your individual series based on the flavor of the day dies on the vine. Its happened before and it will happen again.