U.S. Superkart Championship for 2005

Kevin Kann · Joined: 09 Jun 2004 Posts: 431

Premier Karts.... Premier Tracks.... Not club circuits that are glorified test tracks. That is the issue with WKA National calender. To many club type tracks. (giving up on Road Atlanta)and so on. Shocked

National drivers( making the commitment and travaling 10+ hours) should be on the best tracks in North America. Road Atlanta, Road America, VIR(long track), Barber, Mid Ohio, Daytona, Laguna, Portland. For the travel time going to 2.0 mile tracks that are used mostly for testing is not going to get it done. Maxium exposure boys. That's my two cents.

zito maximus · Joined: 29 Oct 2004 Posts: 2

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Johnny West · Joined: 03 May 2002 Posts: 1180

I will be happy to help. Very nice of you to offer you help.I think you would do a good job. For all the posting I see here, it will be intresting to see who will actually attend the events. And We need to have it as a East/West thing. Larry why don't you get the ball rolling. don't sit back and watch. GET INVOLVED!
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Robert Lawson · Joined: 10 Nov 2001 Posts: 2219

ZITO MAXIMUS?

Who let Kenny in here!

RPM

Brad Davis · Joined: 14 Oct 2003 Posts: 17

Larry, I like that, yes, step up to the plate and see what you can do with the west coast tracks and being the a voices for us west coast racers. I think you would be good at it. My two cents. Brad

michael beamer · Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 8:58 pm Post subject:

ZITO MAXIMUS aka ken deutch aka the dennis rodman of karting is finishing up a new situp anderson kart w/ rotax power. all 6'4" of him sitting up is going to be quite a site.
m beamer

zito maximus · Joined: 29 Oct 2004 Posts: 2

TODAY'S QUESTION IS DIRECTED TO WORLD FAMOUS RACING GURU JOE "SPECS" ADRENALINE OF SCOOGE MAGAZINE.
JOE...THIS IS A TWO PART QUESTION
1. WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE CURRENT CONTROVERSY CONCERNING THE NEW 250CC SERIES PROPOSED BY WSK CHAMPION J.R.OSBORNE OF COLORADO?
2. AFTER CAREFUL CONSIDERATION OF THE CURRENT CONTENT OF THE 250CC FORUM, WHICH OF THE CONTRIBUTING RACERS ARE RIGHT ON THE MONEY, AND WHICH ONES ARE OUT TO LUNCH WITHOUT A HAM SANDWICH?
HEY DUDES! - JOE " SPECS" ADRENALINE HERE!
AS ALWAYS, THE TRUTH IS AS BIG AND UGLY AS THE NOSE ON MY FACE.SO... LET'S GET RIGHT DOWN TO IT- SHORT AND SWEET BABY.
FIRST OF ALL- WSK CHAMPION J.R.OSBORNE HAS GOT TO BE ACKNOWLEDGED AND COMMENDED FOR STIRRING UP THE POT AND MAKING THINGS HAPPEN. YOU KNOW WHAT I ALWAYS SAY- IF YOU WANT TO BAKE SOME BREAD YOU GOT TO HAVE SOME DOUGH... AND THIS CAT SEEMS TO HAVE PLENTY OF IT. KUDOS TO YOU J.R. FOR TAKING THE LEAD. I HOPE YOU CAN FINISH THIS RACE AND NOT GET TANGLED UP WITH SOME BACKMARKERS. IS COLORADO ON THE EAST COAST, THE WEST COAST OR THE THIRD COAST? CHECKING THE MAP IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S PRETTY FAR WEST BUT IF CALI. FALLS INTO THE SEA J.R. COULD BE SITTING ON SOME PRIME BEACHFRONT REAL ESTATE, IF YOU GET MY CONTINENTAL DRIFT.
I THINK THAT THE CONTROVERSY CONSISTS OF THE ELITIST EXCLUSIONISTS VERSUS THE MEAT AND POTATOES INCLUSIONISTS. AT THIS POINT IN THE HISTORY OF THE 250CC SCENE, I'M SIDING WITH THE INCLUSIONISTS WHICH SIMPLY MEANS IF IT'S A 250CC SINGLE CYL. RACING KART- LAYDOWN, SIT-UP, OR TRICYCLE BRING IT DOWN TO THE GRID AND LET'S SEE WHAT YOU GOT. ISN'T RACING ABOUT GETTING AROUND THE TRACK AS FAST AS POSSIBLE? WHERE WOULD WE BE TODAY IF WE STOPPED ALL THE INNOVATORS WITH THEIR NEW IDEAS AND TECHNOLOGIES FROM RUNNING THEIR STUFF. CERTAINLY, THE CURRENT GROUP OF IC/E KARTS WOULD NEVER HAVE GOTTEN THEIR FOOT IN THE ROAD RACING DOOR IF SOMEONE HADN'T BEEN OPEN MINDED ENOUGH TO HAVE SAID "LET EM RUN".WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS HOW THESE NEW SIT-UP DUDES THINK THEY CAN DICTATE THE PROGRAM TO THE ESTABLISHED LAYDOWN GUYS... ON THEIR OWN TURF! UNTIL THERE'S ENOUGH OF EM TO WARRANT BREAKING THEM OUT INTO A SEPARATELY SCORED CLASS, THEY'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO LEARN TO GET ALONG WITH EVERYONE ELSE. IF THEY ARE FASTER , WHAT'S THE DIFF ANYWAY, THEY'LL ONLY SEE THE LAYDOWN GUYS ON THE GRID FOR A FEW SECONDS UNTIL IT'S TIME TO LAP 'EM. I GUESS YOU CANT HELP BUT HAVE A FEW CRYBABIES THAT DONT WANT TO PLAY WITH ANYONE ELSE. BUNCH OF CHEESY REPUBLICANS- YOU COULD STAY HOME OR CRY TO YOUR MOMMY. REAL RACERS WILL NOT TOW 20 HRS. TO GET LAPPED SO THE REAL TRUTH IS IF YOU WANT TO BE COMPETITIVE AT ROAD ATLANTA AND DAYTONA YOU GONNA NEED A SHORT TRACK AND A LONG TRACK KART. SOUNDS EXPENSIVE TO ME AND SINCE MOST OF THE TRACKS ARE CONDUCIVE TO THE SIT-UPS, THE LAYDOWN GUYS ARE GONNA HAVE TO REASSES THEIR RACING PROGRAM OR GO THE WAY OF THE APEMAN AND THE DINOSAUR. IN THE EAST, WHICH IS WHERE A LOT OF THE TRACKS ARE, THE ROAD RACING SCENE HAS BEEN LAYDOWN KARTS AND KARTERS ARE HIGHLY RESISTANT TO CHANGING THEIR EQUIPMENT SO, AT LEAST FOR NOW THEY MUST BE INCLUDED IF THE INTENTION IS TO HAVE A FULL REPRESETANTIVE FIELD. SINCE THE PROGRAM IS CURRENTLY RUN NATIONALLY BY WKA OR REGIONALLY BY THE VARIOUS CLUBS UNDER WKA TYPE RULES ANY NEW PROGRAM THAT WOULD PIGGYBACK ON THESE EVENTS MUST BE INCLUSIVE OF ANYONE DESIRING TO RACE.
NOW IF YOU WANT TO RUN YOUR OWN SHOW WITH YOUR OWN RULES ALA WSK ETC. THAT'S FINE... RENT THE TRACK ATTRACT THE DRIVERS AND THROW THE GREEN.THE FUTURE WE WANT IS DEPENDENT ON WHAT WE DO TODAY AND WE SHOULD TAKE ONE STEADY STEP AT A TIME AND NOT PUT THE KART BEFORE THE HORSE.OF COURSE, THERE WILL BE SOME LAYDOWN GUYS THAT WILL BE FASTER THAN SOME SIT-UPS-IT'S RACE PREPARATION AND GOOD DRIVING THAT MAKES THE REAL DIFFERENCE.
WHAT I REALLY THINK IS THAT IT SHOULD BE 250CC 2STROKE OR 450CC FOUR STROKE AT 485LBS. 45 MINS, 42MM CARB MAX, 110 INS.,2INCHES MIN AROUND DRIVERS FAIRING, OPEN FUEL,TWIN ENGINE CLUCTH KARTS ALLOWED. TWIN CYL. 250CC RUNS AND IS SCORED SEPARATELY.
NOW, FOR THE SECOND PART OF THIS QUESTION.
UNFORTUNATELY, MOST OF THE GUYS WHO CONTRIBUTE TO THESE INTERNET FORUMS CAN'T WRITE AND CHEW GUM AT THE SAME TIME.SOME ARE GREAT DRIVERS, WHILE SOME COULDN'T DRIVE A NAIL INTO A BALL OF COTTON AND THEY ALL HAVE AN AXE TO GRIND. THEY ARE SO CAUGHT UP IN THEIR EMOTIONS AND PERSONAL AGENDAS THAT THEY CAN'T SEE THE FOREST TILL THEY DRIVE INTO THE TREES.
SO SHORT AND SWEET BABY....SPECS ADREANALINE TELLS IT LIKE IT IS...BEAMER IS TRULY A MAD SCIENTIST- A GENIUS THAT LOVES TO RANT AND RAVE. ONLY A FEW PEOPLE REMEMBER HIM WHEN HE USED TO SLEEP IN THE BACK OF HIS BEAT ISUZU PICK-UP IN A FILTHY SNOWMOBILE SUIT WITH HIS DOG "LUCKY". YO' DUDE!! ROB MORRIS DRIVES WAY BETTER THAN HE WRITES AND GEORGE SUNDERLAND WRITES WAY BETTER THAN HE DRIVES. WE CAN ALL THANK OUR LUCKY STARS THAT MIKE CIMA HAS RETIRED(PITT TOOL AND DIE). GARY AND JASON SLAHOR ARE HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT TILL THEY THROW THE GREEN- THEN THEY'RE OUT OF SIGHT. JOHNNY WEST IS THE THE JOE PESCI OF KARTING AND HAS TO ONE OF THE FUNNIEST GUYS IN THE WORLD.HE PROBABLY IS SCREAMING AT FULL VOLUME WHILE HE'S AT FULL THROTTLE. ANDY KIKER LETS HIS RACE PREP AND DRIVING DO THE TALKING.RANDY JOHNSON CAN DEFINATELY SPELL SEE'YA. SANTA CLAUS IS REALLY SLEIGHING EM LATELY. GREG TRIMMER... HI GREG.AND OF COURSE, LAST BUT NOT LEAST, RANDY DOMIKIS WHO GETS THE HAM SANDWICH. TOO BAD RANDY, TOUR A CHEESEBALL- GO PLAY BY YOURSELF IN THE CORNER.
HOPE TO SEE ALL Y'ALL AT ROAD ATLANTA.
ALL CORRESPONDENCE TO JOE "SPECS" ADRENALINE SHOULD BE SENT TO SCOOGE MAGAZINE C/O COFFIN ON WHEELS PUBLICATIONS, 00 GOINOFFDA ROAD, DOWNIN, FL.33OOO. CRASH AND BURN DEPT.
TILL NEXT TIME
SPECS ADRENALINE

Randy Domikis · Joined: 22 Jul 2002 Posts: 266

Zito, AKA Kenny......

I havent seen you at a race since Daytona 2003...... Where have you been???? 2004 season is almost over now.......

Thanks for your opinions towards all of us. Some are nice, others are right on and some are way off, but I am not suprised.

JR was asking opinions about an upcoming WSK series, not Road Racing in general. He also never asked what you thought of individuals, he asked about racing. I never asked to play by myself. I asked for a common series that had common rules. WKA cannot seem to get this done. 2 strokes vs. 4 strokes, engine rules, weights, body work rules, classes, etc. seems like many things were missing or misplaced over the past few years and they have finally put them together for all to better understand. We now have a set of rules for 2005 and I am happy. WSK on the other hand is a seperate issue. WSK has been running for a few years with their main event at Laguna. Their East Coast series could be a big hit for some of us here on the East. I like their rule book. To me, a lot of time has gone in to the book and it lacks gray area.

What I do not understand is this......

From my understanding ( although I do not know for sure), WSK has never been a laydown series. Is this correct? If it has not been one and they have 60+ karts at Laguna, then why change "THEIR" format? I have heard Michael Beamer tell me 100+ times how the 250ICE karts have ruined WKA Unlimited Road Racing( he has also told me 100+ times that the CIK 125 class also ruined the 125 class, which by the way is the largest class that WKA has right now). How they are not by definition an unlimited kart and that they are guests in the class. If the WSK series is basically a ICE type series, then why would anyone who thinks ICE's killed a class want to run in a ICE type series? I just do not understand. They will have the entire 2005 WKA series to run as they have for years.

If the WKA and WSK all run ICE and Laydowns, what seperates them? What will the difference be? Also, if the series will be almost the same, then why would we not make all of the rules the same and not create more work for all of us to "convert" karts to comply with either series.

What are we trying to do here? Find more races to go to? Are we trying to create a new series? Are we trying to field larger fields? Are we trying to showcase professional karting to the public? Are we trying to break away from WKA? or are we trying to mix and mingle what ever you show up with at the the track?

Their are many questions, but very little light.

We should call John Kerry and ask what his adgenda is on karting for 2005. This should shed come light on the issues at hand.

Randy Domikis

michael beamer · Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 9:22 am Post subject:

RANDY dont include me in your response to Kenny's ramble .His fingers seem to be in as good shape as his mouth once he starts talking you need a ham sandwich or your going to get very hungry.He didnt even get my dog's name right it was droopy not lucky.As to your other topic ,I have never said that the ICE karts ruined anything,I appreciate what ever gets around the track the fastest.What I think will ruin the class is your exclusionary ideas of defining what a Superkart is and isn't.We were calling the unlimited laydown karts Superkarts back in the 80s just because somebody copyrighted it now doesn't make it so.What I objected to with the 125 situps is the same thing.When nobody could beat Andy in his ROADRACING 125 situp everybody ganged up changed the rules to a spec type sprint 125 series instead of showing up to the fight with the right weapon.Maybe you need to go back and read JR 's opening post about the concept of this series.He said it was to be a looser more UNLIMITED version not a strict WSK concept and then asked for discussion.I obviously have my own ideas and now is the time to express them BEFORE the rules are written down not after as you seem to always do.The difference this series could play is that it highlights the premier fastest karts whatever they may be to showcase what karts are capable of doing .ie The lap times turned at Barber would have put the Unlimited karts in the top 5 of the daytona prototypes and spread down through the field.I feel that I am doing what JR asked for nothing more.Since this hasn't been declared a strict WSK series by anyone but you I dont see how my ideas are invading into anyones turf except for your small yard.
thanks for allowing me to express an idea if you don't want to read my post then don't please.I just want to go racing with as many karts ,as many friends , and as few rules as possible.

as to my politics SENNA for president,Rossi for VP

m beamer

Brent Harper · Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 9:36 am Post subject:

ZITO!!

WHAT'S UP? IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY YOU WERE ACTUALLY AT ROAD ATLANTA THIS YEAR WHICH WOULD HAPPEN TO BE IN 2004 NOT THE PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED 2003. I WAS PITED WITH YOU, BEAMER AND MORRIS. AFTER MEETING YOU MY FIANCE WANTED REASSURANCE THAT ALL KARTERS WERE'NT LIKE THIS. JUST KIDDING! LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU AGAIN IN ATLANTA. OH YEAH, I SOLD MY 125 AND WILL ALSO BE IN A 250. SWEETTT!!!

SEE YA!!!

Bill Kassy · Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 11:54 am Post subject:

Not to play hall monitor, but if you left the "politics and the personal slams" aside, each of the last 5-6 posts would be 2-3 sentences. Let's try to be constructive on the series/rules, etc and maybe we can come to some agreement on something.

Bill Kassy
WKC gearbox POC for the new club president - so yeah I've got to read all this crap and try to make a recommendation for the club. Oh yeah, I will tell you the same thing I told him, "for the amount of bitching and moaning I am seeing, it's not worth bothering about it for the 5-7 entries we see at the club on a typical week-end!"

Randy Domikis · Joined: 22 Jul 2002 Posts: 266

Brent,

I said that "I" have not seen Zito( at any Nationals or WKC Events), not that Zito has not been seen somewhere by someone.

All,

Obviously there any many opinions about all of the things that are being discussed. All ideas and opinions are important to me. I mentioned what I thought and have been attacked numberous times. Again, I only mentioned my opinion. You too are entitled to yours.

If WKA and WSK want the classes to be identical, then so be it. If WSK want laydowns in the class like many posts seem to say, then ok allow laydowns. It is ok by me. Some people must misunderstand my posts. I am not crying by giving my opinion. That is all. I do not make decisions, I do not work for WKA or WSK. I am only a competitior with his own opinion. I will go with the majority says at the end of the day. I thought these were discussions not some sort of a court trial.

Randy Domikis

Brent Harper · Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 6:11 am Post subject:

Randy,

CHECK YOUR PM!!

Charlie Tackett · Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 7:06 am Post subject:

Beamer.....no don't take this personal....but a few comments correctons.

In the old 125 sprint class, there were definetly people who could show up and give Andy more than a run for his money.

You expouse some fews that are all too typical of many eastern US road racers. That is that all eastern road racing evolves around the WKA national events/racers. The independent series in the Great Lakes region, the CES and the MSES were running 125 sprint road race classes for years before the WKA ever added the class and for many years their entries doubled or tripled the number seen in the WKA. Much of the impetus for the change from open body work, etc. Came from these independent series, series where Andy was unheard of. The lead group in the change to the CIK styled rules was in fact Dave Larson and the CES, along with the SKUSA racers who ran some of their events along with the CES and other road racing series.

The thing I see at this point is that the direction needs to be etablised as to what this Superkart thing is going to be. Is it going to be a WSK-style series or is it going to be a WKA-style unlimited series. If it is going to be a WKA unlimited style series, allowing any WKA legal unlimited kart to run, then I would seriously have to question the whole intent and need to create a duplicate series for the same class covering much of the same parts of the country. Unless you all have unlimited budgets and time also, you could well be forcing this small group of racers in the eastern half of the country to choose one or the other of these two series.

If it is the desire to run a set of rules that are essentially very similar if not idetical to the WKA unlimited class, then why buy a new horse to pull the same old cart??? Why not either run the WKA series or pick a couple of the WKA series races and add one or two others in areas the WKA doesn't run instead of basically copying their class and creating a separate series. I personally don't believe their are enough participants in this grouping of karts to support two similar competing series.

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I agree 100% to what Charlie has said.
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