WKA 2005 Unlimited Rules

John Ferreira · Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 9:23 am Post subject: WKA 2005 Unlimited Rules

These are the WKA's 2005 rules that will apply to the Unlimited 1 & 2 Class.

310.4 IC/E KART ELIGIBILITY: Any IC/E legal kart (i.e. Anderson/Zip/Swift/Stratos) is eligible for competition in Unlimited 1 & 2 with the appropriate engine. They are exempt from the rules covering seat height and position, fuel tank location, and rack and pinion steering. They must meet all CIK IC/E bodywork rules. They must meet all the other WKA competition rules for these classes.

312.2 UNLIMITED #1 & #2
DRIVER REQ: Age 18 or older. Road Racing Class 1 License.
250cc gearbox single cylinder
Weight 460
Fuel Gas and Oil
250cc 2-cycle Gearbox Engines:

250cc NON-gearbox single cylinder
Weight 460
Fuel Gas and Oil
Carb Any
Any 250cc 2-cycle Engine using a standard karting slip clutch.

450cc gearbox single cylinder 4-cycle
Weight: 460
Carb 42mm
Fuel Gasoline
[list]Allowed single cylinder 450 cc motocross engines include Honda, CRF, KTM, or Yamaha.

12.5:1 maximum compression ratio. Aftermarket rods made of ferrous material are allowed but must maintain OEM length. Cranks may be balanced, but the stock stroke length must be maintained. Kick starter assembly may be removed and plugged. Add-on oil coolers or dry sump systems are approved. Engines may be updated to current model year. Engines may be modified to allow for the use of external electric starter. Engines may be run on IC/E chassis only. (See Section 310.4.)

Ignition: OEM Only

Transmission: OEM transmission ratios only. Components may not be machined to reduce weight. Clutch discs, plates, springs, & hardware may be aftermarket. Slipper clutch or Sprag units are allowed.

Other: Additional restrictions may be placed on these engines at any time if it is deemed necessary to maintain parity within the class.

125 cc gearbox
Weight: 420
Carb: Any
Fuel Gas and Oil

150 cc single cylinder Weight: 380 Fuel Any Carb: Open

Dual Engine Enduro
Two 135 cc single cylinder Weight: 490 Carb: Any Fuel: Open
Two 100 cc single cylinder Weight: 465 Carb: Any Fuel: Open
Two 135 cc single cylinder fan cooled
(West Bend 820 and Mac 101) Weight: 420 Carb: Any Fuel: Open

Exhaust Systems: The exhaust system must be a WKA approved design and comply with WKA and local ordinance exhaust noise suppression requirements. Adjustable pipes are legal in all non-gearbox classes.

Technical Inspection: Post race tech inspection will include kart weight and engine displacement, fuel, and exhaust system.

(Please excuse any typing or spelling errors, as I had to type some of this in)
Comments and suggestions welcome,

John Ferreira
WKA NRRC

Joe Galyon · Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 7:16 pm Post subject:

Where are the twin 125 clutch karts? What are the rules on them?

John Ferreira · Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 7:44 pm Post subject:

Clark Gaynor · Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 3:00 am Post subject:

John, at our Unlimited meeting in July at Summit Point, most of us favored a 30 minute race. How did that turn out at the Board meeting?
On the class weight issue. As I recall, all but two at that meeting favored increasing the weight. Why isn't that possible?
Also on a real stupid subject!! We had generally favored renaming the class "Superkarts". Was that brought up. Not that it matters, just wondering.
Clark (The Old One).

John Ferreira · Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 6:56 am Post subject:

michael beamer · Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 7:49 am Post subject: 125 twin unlimited clutch karts

these motors were legal at a national level up until now .in a class struggling to average 5 per race these arbitrary decisions have got to stop. this unlimited class has not had a coherent stable set of rules for over 10 years because of this type of crap.you just named 3 of the most active veteran drivers and I myself am in the middle of putting my twin 125 parrilla back together with a new frame from the ground up. .why is there room for new motor combinations that nobody is running but not for 5-6 existing karts built under current rules.this combination of motors has proven to fit in well with the unlimited class against thie 250 singles ,slightly slower but close as Robby showed this past weekend at Barber he drove his kart at the maximum and got 5 place .
Michael Beamer

John Ferreira

michael beamer · Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 4:41 pm Post subject: twin 125 parrillas

Thank you for the quick response, in times past resolving misunderstandings like this would have taken months not hours,I appologize for the anger and would like to thank you for the effort you have made in comunicating so promptly to this and other issues on this forum.
Michael Beamer

John Ferreira · Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 5:37 pm Post subject: Re: twin 125 parrillas

Joe Galyon · Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 7:15 pm Post subject:

John,
You're headed in the right direction. The fewer the rules in a class like this, the better.

Glad you got Michael the correction quickly as well. His first post was sorta like I felt last year when it looked like everything I had was going to be illegal.

Michael,
Get er done . . .

Thanks,
Joe Galyon

Bill Kassy · Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 8:23 am Post subject:

John F,

Hypothetically question:

If WKC runs the weight @ 490 in lieu of 460 , will that impact any regional points and can we enforce that weight at the nationals?

I think the answer is: regionals no problems, nationals use national weights.

Thanks,
Bill Kassy

michael beamer · Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 8:50 pm Post subject: weighty issues

Bill why would wkc want to do that? Out of the 5-6 normal entries 1/2 are below 460 and 1/2 are above .The slayers are both way below weight with jr having to add up to 45lbs to make 460,I come in at 465.Andy weighs over 500# and it doesn't seem to slow him down Rob doesn't think the weights need to be changed and he weighs over 500# he seems to be out front most races so why stir the sh******t pot and cause problems?maybe some of these people need to put the donuts down get in shape and stop whining.Are you running this class now?
Michael Beamer

Randy Domikis · Joined: 22 Jul 2002 Posts: 266

Michael,

I think you may have some bad data.

The average weight of the class was anywhere between 480-505 (3 races were 500+)for 5 differenet WKA National events..... I am unsure where you get the 1/2 vs. 1/2. Just because Rob dosent seem to think the weight should be raised does not speak for all of the others... Kiker, Trimmer, Myself, Gaynor's x2, Reinhardt, taylor's x 2, etc. The odds are against the lower weight. There are a few competitors that want the weight to remain the same, but there are more who would like to see what they consider more reasonable weights. 5'10" and 185 is not a donut eating size.... and a discussion on weights is not whinning. YOu mentioned Rob who is "Always" out front, well ask Chris Reinhardt, Andy Kiker, and myself who have won National Races this year what they think. I would make it a point to incluse eveyone in this matter, not a choosen few.

WSK raised their weights this year and may raise them more next year. It makes logical sense to "try" to have some common rules within the different series in the US.

There is a reason that none of us could ever be a jockey and there may be a reason that a jockey could not do what we do.

Randy Domikis

Bill Kassy · Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 7:58 am Post subject:

Michael,

I am just asking questions. You know my opinion of WKA and WKC, Surprised

so I am just gathering some data. The data I got from the nationals @ VIR and WKA doesn't show the 1/2 split. Since Bernie volunteered me to be his guy in this, I just want to hit the ground running.

As far as the donuts, I agree as well. I have to add 45 lbs just to make some of the controlled classes and friends are hard to find to help lift a 265 lb go kart!

What does an average unlimited kart weigh without the driver? That is what I want to use as a baseline and then find the weight of the drivers. I think 180-190 would be a good average weight of the average "in somewhat shape" driver. I don't need triathletes as the average driver, but also don't want the average roundy-roundy fan to be the average weight of the driver as well.

You kidding me about running that class? I can't afford to keep my 125 running properly, much less a 250 Very Happy

Thanks for the input.

Bill Kassy

michael beamer · Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2004 10:48 am Post subject: weight issue

my point is supported by what was just said.the numerous people that seem to have a problem with making 460# don't seem to be suffering as a result of this extra weight .Andy ,Rob ,Randy all seem to be going OK at the front of the pack so WHAT IS THE POINT of changing a rule that has been stable for 10years.We are not Skusa,We are not JR Clausens mini series we are the woodbridge enduro club that has been here longer then all of them combined .Lets stop changing the rules every two weeks maintain some stability and go racing.The 460# lines up with the majority of the series that actually race with us why complicate what seems to be working fine.By the way Randy I have taken the time to look at the attendance for each race this year both national and regional and the ICE karts are still just a dependant part of this unlimited class barely averaging 3-5 karts a race hardly enough numbers to start dictating changes to a class that has been around for over 10 years.Get the numbers first then start looking for changes to suit these karts.WKA sent a questionaire out about this very topic of the weight THEIR results support what I have said so maybe my facts are accurate for most people just not you.
SOME additional FACTS:
250 weights
WKA 460LBS
MKC 460LBS
WKC 460LBS
Big South 460LBS
Badger 460LBS
and finally the best of all***************************************
WORLD SUPERKART 450 POUNDS so who exactly are you linking up to Randy it seems my facts are supported by everyone in North America maybe you were referring to another continent.