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Opening Angles of Ports?

 
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David Armstrong



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:22 pm    Post subject: Opening Angles of Ports? Reply with quote

I'm not an engine builder, so please excuse the dumb questions.

I was looking at the technical information on the engines listed in the TAG USA web site. There is a spec there called "Opening Angles". On the PRD Fireball the spec sheet says the Exhaust is 174 degrees. The Leopard and Easykart 125 show 171 degrees. The Vortex Rok shows 184 degrees. And the Sonik VX shows 179 degrees.

My question is how do they get this measurement? And what does it mean? The higher the degrees, the farther up the cylinder the exhaust ports are? Does this produce more power? I did notice the higher the degrees an engine has, the more weight it has to have in the class.

Thanks for the info.
Dave Armstrong
Jacksonville, FL
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

David,

A better term would be "exhaust duration" -- quite simply; how many degrees of crank rotation the exhaust port is open.

VERY generally speaking; the higher the exhaust port, the more peak power the engine might produce. There are many other items that determine power, but exhaust port height is a key ingredient.

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David Armstrong



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete,

Thanks for the explanation. One more question if you don't mind.

On the Leopard Spec sheet, it shows the exhaust port at 171 degrees max. A footnote says "Angular Reading by Inserting a 0.2 mm Gauge".

Does this mean they stick a 0.2mm feeler gauge in the top of the exhaust port, rotate the crank until the top of the piston touches the gauge, set the degree wheel to 0, rotate the crank around until the piston comes back up and touches the 0.2mm gauge and read the degree wheel? The reading should be in the neighborhood of 170 degrees.

Is that how they would measure to come up with this spec?

Again, Thanks for your help.

Dave Armstrong
Jacksonville, FL
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Dave,
Are you going to tech port heights at Jax? Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

David,

I don't have that spec sheet in front of me, but that sounds 100% correct to me.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 12:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Opening Angles of Ports? Reply with quote

David Armstrong wrote:
I'm not an engine builder, so please excuse the dumb questions.



I'm not an engine builder either, at least not now. When I did build open Mcs, I found that a key measurement was the "blow down". From the point that the exhaust opens, till the point when the transfers open. That, along with the actual point of exhaust port opening, is the key to making a fast engine, at least with the Mc. Along with other things.

The real key, to me, in making an engine produce more power, or to comparing stock engines, is Area/Time. (the area of the port vir. the time it's open) You can open a port sooner, or make it bigger. Only Area/Time can tell you the difference between the size, and height, of different strokes and rod lengths.

Not in you question, I know, just something I thought about.
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