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Patrick Hubbell
Joined: 22 Jul 2001 Posts: 2546 Location: United States, California, San Jose
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Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 11:46 pm Post subject: Broken crank |
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This is a first. My new Leopard with only 3 hrs of run time, had a PTO crankshaft failure this weekend. Mine was not the only failure. At Sundays IKF race at Stockton two Leopards had the same failure.
My other Leopard which was one of the early engines to be sold here, had over 50 hours on it and not one problem.
Has anyone else had a similar failure. I asked some of the engine builders who were at the track about this failure. They both said they haveseen quite a few brocken off PTO shafts in recent weeks.
Perhaps a bad batch of cranks?? It cost me valuable points in the Region 11 series. Last lap, last turn, wham! and I'm walking back to the scales. _________________ Patrick Hubbell |
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Michael Brookes
Joined: 20 Jul 2001 Posts: 182 Location: United States, Oklahoma, Oklahoma City
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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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I also had a PTO side of a crank brake. It was a new crank half that was just put on, and it was the first hard lap after 3 break-in session.
Must have been a bad batch of cranks ( I Hope ).
After replacing the crank again, I raced the Jax Pro Moto and a local race without a problem.
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Bob Ogden
Joined: 22 Jul 2002 Posts: 3447 Location: United States, California, Grass Valley
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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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Pat,
You have a hell of a way of retiring
Have you contacted Russell to see if they have any info? |
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Patrick Hubbell
Joined: 22 Jul 2001 Posts: 2546 Location: United States, California, San Jose
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Bob Ogden wrote: | Pat,
You have a hell of a way of retiring
Have you contacted Russell to see if they have any info? |
Bob, I can't retire unless I sell the karts!!! I thought I retired last year, but I still have the Arrow.
Maybe this year, but now I have the CRG and the Arrow. Bought the CRG when I thought I had the Arrow sold. No more "show and tell". _________________ Patrick Hubbell |
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Tom Hickey
Joined: 13 Dec 2002 Posts: 27 Location: United States, Ohio, Circleville
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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2004 9:27 am Post subject: |
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| I have heard the rumor that the Leopard when turned at excess RPM that the weight of the clutch wrecks havoc with the end of the crank. Is there any validity to this story? |
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Patrick Hubbell
Joined: 22 Jul 2001 Posts: 2546 Location: United States, California, San Jose
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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Tom Hickey wrote: | | I have heard the rumor that the Leopard when turned at excess RPM that the weight of the clutch wrecks havoc with the end of the crank. Is there any validity to this story? |
IAME does recommend 15,000 max RPM. I ran my first Leopard 2 full seaons at both Region 11 IKF series and Club races plus fun days for a total fo 50 + hours with not one failure. That engine saw 15,000 to 16,000 all the time.
Some are saying the failures are caused by an incorectly installed clutch. I have been installing clutches for 20 years and have not had one failure untill now.
I estimate the cost of repair to be $350 in parts alone!!! _________________ Patrick Hubbell |
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Bill Wharton
Joined: 19 Jul 2001 Posts: 123 Location: United States, Iowa,
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 10:45 am Post subject: |
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Crank PTO failure can becaused by many things.
Proper assembly will help to minimize potential problems.
When installing the clutch, always lap the clutch to the crank. This is very important to ensure that the fit is exact. Clean very well after lapping and before assembly. Ensure that the keyway fits the slot in the crank correctly and that it is not too tall. Sometimes you need to file the flat to ensure that the clutch will slide fully on to the crank taper. These steps only take a few minutes and it allows you to have perfectly matched componets as far as fit is concerned. These steps should always be followed when preparing your engine & clutch combination with new parts, but are especially important when no third bearing support is utilized. Verify that you use proper torque specs when you reassemble and try to ensure that during removal or assembly that you apply pressure at 90% to the crank while supporting the socket end of the wrench so that the end of the crank isn't stressed.
Another possiblity is the balance of the clutch. Although there are technically more accurate ways to balance the clutch, just do it like you would a wheel / tire assemble. Find the heavy spot and remove a little material, continue until balanced. Very there is no rules infraction if this is performed.
These steps cost little to nothing and should help to improve the life of your engines crank shaft.
Bill
Kartechracing.com |
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