IKF Points

Robert Brooks · Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2001 7:59 pm Post subject: IKF Points

If a driver gets crashed/broken down on the first lap in the first corner in the main, does that driver receive any points? A group that I raced big cars with says that a driver must complete 1/2 the distance of the overall winner to be classified as a finisher and receive points. Anyone know what the IKF rule is? and please don't respond by telling me to go read my rule book.

Thanks!

Tim Doll · Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2001 8:15 pm Post subject: IKF Points

I can't guarantee this is absolutely correct per the IKF rule book, but the way we have always done it in Region 6 is:
You must pass scoring one time after the green flag (i.e. complete a lap) or you will be classified as a "Did Not Start" - no points. Once you complete a lap, you started the race and will be scored based on where you finish (e.g. last if you drop out in the next corner). No need to cover any minimum distance after that first lap.

Tim

Marshall Martin · Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2001 2:45 am Post subject: IKF Points

Tim,

Must you complete a lap or just take the green flag signaling you have started the race and therefore have completed in the heat?

Charlie Tackett · Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2001 2:56 am Post subject: IKF Points

Most places/series we have run only require you to take the green flag to get scored. A DNS means you didn't take the green.

Robert Brooks · Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2001 5:52 am Post subject: IKF Points

Thanks, anyone from TRI-C Karters or region 7 with an answer? We got a DNS @ the last race when we did not make it past the first turn of the first lap in the main.

Robert Brooks · Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2001 5:54 am Post subject: IKF Points

hey, If I post 8 more times, I won't be a "new member anymore" seems a bit strange that one is considered a "new member" until they make 20 posts.

Charlie Tackett · Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2001 7:03 am Post subject: IKF Points

Hey, at least we don't put a big red "X" on the side of your posts!!!

Greg Yocom · Joined: 10 Aug 2001 Posts: 474

SWRA which is sanctioned by IKF allows there participants to push up to the grid, then roll across the scales to receive race points. I have seen people do this even without a driving suit on. What a ridiculous practice, I have even seen trophies awarded for this. That will sure bring out the race fans. I do not know if this is standard for all of IKF, but I hope not.

Roy Harris · Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2001 2:17 pm Post subject: IKF Points

Tim,
I may be incorrect, but at sprint you have to take the green flag to be scored. I stalled my kart on the pace lap once and got zero points ( cost me two spots in the season points

). At the first race of the 2001, on the first lap, turn one about six to eight karts piled off the track. The drivers were awarded points based on their starting position with the execption of the driver who started the mayhem. I believe he was moved to last.
At road race I was told you only have to enter the race with the intent to race to recive a minimum number of points. When I look at the points I see a few drivers that have 400 points awarded if they entered but for some reason didn't make the race. If you could explain how that works Tim I would appreciate as I don't wish to mislead anyone, just explaining how it was explained to me.

Roy Harris

Robert Brooks · Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2001 3:29 pm Post subject: IKF Points

Ok, The points keeper for Tri-C Karters e-mailed me and said that their system is that to be scored, a driver must pass the start finish line once AFTER the green flag has been thrown ie: you must complete one lap to be scored or you are a DNS. I guess whomever voted for this felt there might be less first lap first turn incidents. Personally, I DON'T LIKE IT. We raced all day long and get no points at all because of a first turn incident....Well, that's racing I guess.

Tim Doll · Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2001 7:17 pm Post subject: IKF Points

quote:
Originally posted by Roy Harris:
Tim,
I may be incorrect, but at sprint you have to take the green flag to be scored. I stalled my kart on the pace lap once and got zero points ( cost me two spots in the season points ). At the first race of the 2001, on the first lap, turn one about six to eight karts piled off the track. The drivers were awarded points based on their starting position with the execption of the driver who started the mayhem. I believe he was moved to last.
At road race I was told you only have to enter the race with the intent to race to recive a minimum number of points. When I look at the points I see a few drivers that have 400 points awarded if they entered but for some reason didn't make the race. If you could explain how that works Tim I would appreciate as I don't wish to mislead anyone, just explaining how it was explained to me.

Roy Harris

Well, I just checked the IKF rule book, and could not find anything that directly addressed the question (I hate it when that happens

). Which basically means (unless I missed something) that you can locally decide how you want to handle it. In IKF Region 6 Roadrace (which does not have to be the same is sprint), this is how it works:

For "Gold Cup" points, you get 400 points just for entering ("entry points") - you get these points even if you don't show up for the grid (you do however need to go through pre-tech). Entry points can only be lost due to DQ (for other than weight). Gold Cup points are based on IKF rule 211.2 for a single heat race - 1200 points for a win, 900 for second, etc. So a win is worth 1600 points (1200 to win plus 400 entry points). However you still need to pass scoring once to be credited with starting the race - if you drop out on the first lap you are considered a DNS and only receive 400 entry points - no "finish" points.

Now, IKF Region 6 points are covered by section 800 in the tech manual. No entry points - you must pass scoring once to be classified as starting the race. If you fail to compete a lap you receive 0 points.

In other words, at least in the Northwest, there are two distinct championships - "Gold Cup", and "IKF Region 6" - using different rules and point systems. The "Gold Cup" champion receives the "Walker Cup" (roadrace) or "Hayes Cup" (sprint) in memory of Jim Walker and Rex Hayes, respectively.

Yes, I know it is a bit confusing.

Tim

Roy Harris · Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2001 7:19 am Post subject: IKF Points

Thanks for the response Tim,

That does clear things up a little. PKA appears to use the Gold Cup scoring system for it's club races.

Thanks,

Roy