TAG weights

Bob Francis · Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 12:20 am Post subject:

rob your still talking 180 to 190 driver weight. i say diet. again i say walk through any grid and look at the lead. especially in the junior classes. we can not cater to every overweight kid or adult in America please get some seperation, have a heavy class if dieting won't work but don't put 30-60lbs of lead on these karts it's not safe. also dosen't seem ironic that the smallest people have to lift the most wieght? bizarre eh?
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Bob Francis · Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 12:27 am Post subject:

and one more thing Jeff who decided TAG was just for older guys? i think there are plenty of young people who would like to have fun in TAG also. The rules are 16yrs and up arn't they,maybe you could get your own track too, just for older guys.
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Ray Drinkwine · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 25

Hey Bob, I hope you went to the SKUSA site and said something about the weights! I have been reading through these replys and it sure looks like some of these guys are on the heavy side and don't have to buy stock in lead of deal with a kart that handles like crap and broken seats and struts! Go to the scales after a race and watch the kids in the jr. class try to pick up the kart, won't happen! Look at the jr 1 class, my daughter has finally grown but we still have 35 to 40 lbs on her kart. This is dangerous in all classes, if a kart goes upside down or over another kart the kids can't even lift them off, they are pinned (nice feeling). Ask some of the dad's how thier back feels at the end of a weekend! If you like running a heavy kart then run the heavy class not the so called 385-395 light class. Drop 5lbs of weight on your foot then drop 10lbs on your foot, i'll bet you can tell the differance. If you can't maybe you've been heavy weight boxing for too long!! Stay out of McDonalds and put down the remote!!

Spencer Bunting · Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 9:07 am Post subject:

Its even better here in CO. Exclamation

We have a +20 rule in the CSC, so we're out there with even MORE lead than everyone else.

Great to know I'll be adding almost 50 lbs of weight to a Rotax, the lightest kart in the group...... rediculous.

If I was running a motor with a higher weight, I might as well bolt on a second seat and run a passenger with me...... Rolling Eyes

Ray Drinkwine · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 25

Spencer, have you went to the skusa web site and exprssed that you would like to see less weight on the karts? If you go to Chad Allens post you can click on the link and email them. This if important to do if we are going to get them to look at this before setting the weights!!

Spencer Bunting · Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 9:30 am Post subject:

No, I haven't emailed them.

It really doesnt matter, since the CSC runs off its own rules, which are loosely based on the TaGUSA weights.

But I will still write them something, since if the large groups start to make changes, it should influence smaller groups like the CSC.

I'm just praying that we have a large enough turn out this year to break it up into light/heavy classes and i'll be able to actually run a resonable weight.

Ray Drinkwine · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 25

Spencer, you could always just show up and race with no weight on and make a statement! I have been thinking of this myself. Show up with no weight on the kart and let them penalize me so what, the kart works like crap and is no fun to drive with enough weight to be one olympic size 45lb plate. think about the size of that plate, thats how much weight is bolted on alot of karts. Run the kart with no weight, haul ass, and have fun during passing practice!!

Jeff DeMello · Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:17 am Post subject:

I am getting tired of reading about all the 150# guys that dominate karting. Not at the local club leval. It seems that you should look at other classes that you can run at 310lbs I would like you to tell me to go on a diet to my face. Wink

I am 6'1" at 195-200lbs. I don't consider myself over weight. If you have to add over 20lbs on your kart find another class. TaG has to get going and adding light and heavy only makes less head counts. I have been running 15# over weight in Ymh Hvy and run in the top 3 every week winning my share of races. It seems TaG should be good for most drivers weights over 160# Just pick the right engine combo. PS I did lose 10# for this season no more beers Crying or Very sad

Ray Drinkwine · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 25

Jeff, I would run another class if it was offered. Last year I ran Super G, at the Pro Moto I had 47+ lbs. on my kart, end result was a broken chassis strut and a broken seat. You are one of the guys that would benifit from the heavy class. TAG is going to take off just fine, the class only makes sence but the weights don't! I am 41 years old and should run masters but I don"t weigh enough. So I will run senior and work harder to go faster, but these weights are still way out of wack! Wouldn't you like to run less weight and have the thrill and adreniline rush of going faster, I know I would! I am not saying you are fat, what I am saying again is let heavy be heavy and light be way light!!!

Chad Allen · Joined: 04 Sep 2002 Posts: 54 Location: Afghanistan,

Jeff, you are not over weight...for football. For a vehicle that is less than 6' long and weights about 175lbs, you are on the big side. I'm not saying that large drivers don't have a place in karting. Thats why we have Yam. Heavy, Shifter Heavy, etc., but to designate an entire format, such as Tag, to larger size drivers is dumb. That is catering to the minority. You state that Tag is a good class for anyone at 160lbs, but at 160 you still have to bolt about 30lbs of lead on the kart. And that's with a Rotax. These min. weights need to be lowered across the board. You also said that if you have to add 20lbs of lead to the kart to find go find another class. Again, at 6'1", you are the minority. Put two and two together. And I'd say it to your face, 'cause I can run fast.

Ray Drinkwine · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 25

It also seems no one has big enough ones to run ICA locally, only nationally. I would love to run this class and they are some of the lighter karts, plus they are not very forgiving, you will learn to drive!!

Ray Drinkwine · Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 25

Jeff, you are a perfect example of what we are talking about here. You are a heavier guy, so you want to see higher weights. Hey maybe you could sell me a couple of your yamahas so I could bolt those on for weight instead of having to buy so much lead, value is about the same when your at the track and need more weight. And I would tell you to your face and then take it out on the track, you run your yamaha, I'll run my daughters go-ped to make the power to weight fare. If you feel that's unfair I'll bolt on one of your yamahas for weight!

Jeff DeMello · Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 3:00 pm Post subject:

Chad, Ray I have been running Ymh Hvy for at least 7yrs since I started karting Here at BeaveRun where I race This was the biggest class only 2 or 3 lights not enough to have there own class It seems most of the guys would rather bolt on the extra weight than be over for light. I dont mind being over by 15# and still run up front I just imagine how much quicker I would be at 360# Thats why I like the TAg system I can get a Itelsistem 47h and I might be able to add weight by adding fuel to my tank. Laughing

At 48 in April I like to beat the young wipper snappers

Jim Cassi · Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 3:09 pm Post subject:

well.....here goes my 2 cents..
i run the RMc at 355 lbs... and i'm adding 40 lbs to my kart as it is.... now SKUSA want me to add 10 more lbs.... wow...when i come in the pits.... everyone runs....yes i'm skinny..but i can't help it... just like the big guys can't help it.... i think a lighter class is due.
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Bob Francis · Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 7:36 pm Post subject:

i like this i think were getting some dialog here. if we can run maybe local option classes in TAG or RMC at a lighter weight and see how it goes, like SKUSA did with superpro they dropped the weights 10 lbs to make the superpros quicker. if we can get some interest in a TAG light at say 320ish or close maybe we can open some eyes. I know alot of people that would really enjoy being able to lift they're karts again. besides the karts shouls be pretty quick at 310 or 320. what do you guys think? maybe we can give some of the weights back to the divers.
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