Shifters

Ace Rossi · Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:14 am Post subject: Shifters

Was looking thru the rule book and was wondering, why is it that paddle, air, electronic shifters are NOT legal?
I mean, Common sense will say keeping two hands on the wheel at all times is 100% safer!

What is the REAL reasoning! Aren't shifters supposed to emulate formula 1? I don't see shift levers in those cars !

Clark Gaynor · Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:17 am Post subject:

$$$$$
As they say--- "keep it simple stupid"!
OR, IT GETS REAL PRICEY----FAST!!

Ace Rossi · Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:24 am Post subject:

Money yes but if you cant afford the parts, drop down to a class where you can!
Besides, its can also state (if legal) that you have the choice if using one or not! Its not like its mandatory!

valentin yakimenko · Joined: 05 Sep 2012 Posts: 20

Don't know if you know this...but they are trying to get more ppl in stock moto clas...west coast has enough...and some tracks there have classes for those like you...
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Ace Rossi · Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:40 am Post subject:

Theres alot here too but they barely show up on race day!
I just dont see what the harm is if you had the choice!

valentin yakimenko · Joined: 05 Sep 2012 Posts: 20

Then the one with air shifter would have advantage on shifting time... And the once without it won't b as compeditive...we only have arounth 12 shifters around(all combined, not just cr125...). And it really doesn't matter what you have ... We doing it for fun... But in areas with a stock moto class, you want to make it affotable as possible so more and more get involved.
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Michael Taksa · Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:30 am Post subject:

Ace, this question comes up from time to time. The answer is COST. The feature you want from one of those systems is not the electric/pneumatic shift, but "shift no lift" ignition interrupt (saves time on shifting), which is deemed illegal by rules. I beleive you can legally race electric/pneumatic shift in most orgs without having the "ignition interrupt" feature. If you really think this should be allowed, then where do you stop? Turbo? Direct Injection?

Jim McMahon · Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:46 am Post subject:

Careful what you wish for Smile

They are legal in KZ1 in Europe, if you recon you have the money to run KZ1, more power to ya!
As far as safety is concerned, observation is by far the biggest factor. Period.
Not sure if shifters are meant to emulate F1 perse. While that might be how its promoted by some these days there's a whole lot more to F1 than paddle shifting.

Maybe SKUSA will let them run in S1 or something, at least that way there might be more separation of times between it and S2.
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Clark Gaynor · Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:06 am Post subject:

No, shifter karts are not anything like F1, nor are they suppose to be. They are in fact "Go Karts"!!! As neat and fast as they are, they are still Go Karts!

It has been stated above, "where does it stop?" Carbon fiber chassis? If you open the rules to that extent, kart racing as we know it will be dead in a year. I don't know about you, but a $11-12K shifter kart is about all I can stand. I hope I never see the day when you have to pay $25K+ for a GoKart!!

And since they shift SO WELL, why would you want to fix a problem that doesn't exist?

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Chris Reinhardt · Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:19 pm Post subject:

Jim McMahon · Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 8:29 am Post subject:

+1 on what Chris said, if you have money burning a hole in your pocket and want to go el-nutzo with elec\pnu paddle shifters, 250E is a good way to spend lots of money, rather quickly, going rather quickly.

The are allowed in some orgs under certain circumstances, but its usually case-by-case assessment based on driver's disabilities.
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Ace Rossi · Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 4:01 pm Post subject:

Okay so what your saying is the main reason is cost! But, lets say IF a racer could afford an after market shifter AND he/she had an option whether they could or couldn't use it per the rules, what advantage is there really to having one? Quicker shifts both up and down? Two hands on wheel full time versus one part time? I guess what I'm trying to say is I just dont see it being that big of a deal!
And heck if all you need is a disability, i got one! I can't drive but where do I get a doctors note for that? Smile

Jeff DeMello · Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 4:42 pm Post subject:

You don't ride with one hand on the wheel and one on the shifter. I can up shift and most of the time down shift with both hands on the wheel..

I have a butterfly shifter on my laydown and prefer the sit up stock shifter set up
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Ace Rossi · Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 4:49 pm Post subject:

I am/was referring to a sprint shifter. There's many times when I'm entering and exiting a corner with one hand on the wheel while shifting! It takes a lot to hold on!