United States Pro Kart Series

Tim Koyen · Advertiser Joined: 26 Nov 2002 Posts: 1571

Lots of good info and ideas here.
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Nathan Adair · Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:52 pm Post subject:

Not much talk about it yet, but I really like the idea of the Leopard Semi-Pro class. As a 25-year-old skinny newb, 14+ and 330lbs really appeals to me, and the header makes sense since the weight is low. It's hard to get into karting at my age with TaG Senior being about my only option in Florida, and it's the deep end of the pool. Yamaha Senior doesn't seem too popular at the regional level and I'm not old enough or fat enough for Masters or Heavy.

With that said, I can't help but think that Semi-Pro is intended more for the experienced TaG Jr. drivers that are waiting to turn 16. I hope I'm wrong.

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Dan Schlosser · Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:56 pm Post subject:

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Kent's data shows (hands down) the pipe is the way to go. Any Yam Jr moving up (as my kid is) wants to see the pipe not the can. Any cross over racers don't want to change back.

GO WITH THE PIPE FOR YAM SR!

If not, Coats, Koyen and Laukiatis will be getting a visit from a couple of "lil Italy's" uncles! Shocked

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Frankie Schaffier · Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:01 am Post subject:

I agree.. I think the pipe would be a good move in the long run.

And not just because I bought one, but I feel it's a step forward for the Yamaha class from where it's at today. Locally I hear quite a bit of complaining about the soup can exhaust, but then again they were not dancing in the street when the pipe costs where known. But buying a pipe isn't something that faded away years ago, the KPV teams do it now, along iwth other classes. I personally feel the cost of the pipe and header is reasonable, call it a set tires cost wise, but you don't throw it away at the end of the day.

I know everyone hates having two weights for one class, but if entries are a concern throw 15 pounds at the pipe. Should be able to use Daytona numbers to compare pipe times vs can and come up with a weight. It's pretty clear at the scales what is what, even for someone's daughter who drew the short straw and has to write down weights.

I haven't driven the pipe set up yet, but I've yet to hear anyone who has not said it's better then the can.

Tires... Instead of a spec tire call out tires from all manufactures that can be used and don't allow the gumballs. Burris, Stone, MG, Dunlop or whatever, guys will already have them in their trailer. Open it up to whoever the karter wants to buy from. It's just weird to me when talking to guys at the track, reading on forums like this where guys are trying to get their kart loosened up, get rid of the hop, get rid of the bind, ect. Bigger axles, bigger frame tubes, bigger spindles, more seat struts which equals more cost, chasing sticky tires. But yet the orgs keep spec'n sticky tires?

Just my thought's.. Either way I'll run the series and I haven't done that in awhile, it's a welcome change and sounds like fun.
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patrick slattery · Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 9:31 am Post subject:

Pipe is going to be a big hit, more bottom end power and much more quite, and no need for a 3 disk wet clutch. Your standard dry can clutch should be all that you need.

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Frankie Schaffier · Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 12:21 pm Post subject:

Brian,

I clearly understand the componds and am also aware what is currently being ran as the natioanl tires. The point I was making is that the tires are driving the $4000+ chassis and it dosen't have to be that way. For me personally, it don't matter. I'm blessed to be able to afford three sets of tires for a week-end no matter what kind or the cost of a set. My focus is on the local guy that wants to run a series and can't afford to go buy a new $4000 chassis along with 3 sets of tires for an event. The guy that wants to run a series with him and his son both driving, on 4 year old karts and be able to afford to do that.

The folks that are running this series understand for this to be sucessful something needs to be done to cut the costs. They understand that things need to change away from what is happening today with the different series across the nation. For the Yam classes in this series only one set of tires is going to be allowed for both Sat and Sun racing. Awesome decision! Run a used set for Friday practice, mount a fresh set for the rest of the week end. It's about damn time..

What I was suggesting was to not limit the tire brands to just one tire company. Allow guys to run what they want, just cap the how soft a tire that can be ran. I don't get free tires only free decals, so givin a choice, I'd rather pay $165 for a set then I would $215. a set. If I get beat because of my tire pick, well then so be it. I was able to decide how I'm going to spend my money and I feel everyone should have that ability.

The sport can not survive off high dollar guys, there's not enough of them.

Please don't think I'm taking a shot at you Brian, that's not the case. Again, just offering my opinion as messed up as it may be.
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Jim McMahon · Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 2:26 pm Post subject:

Ive always liked the idea of allowing a selection of tires in a certain durometer range rather than spec'ing a brand. Bridgestone, Hoosier, Vega, MG, Dunlop, Burris whatever. Run what you brung, as long as its mass produced and meets the durometer range specified. Easy way to do it would be to say CIK-H (for example) only, but then you push out Hoosier and Burris which is just plain wrong. I think a little pricing competition with tires wouldn't do any harm and I think it's an absolute disgrace that there isnt more support across tracks and orgs for Hoosier and Burris for all the flag waving that goes on sometimes.
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Kyle Prokup · Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:37 pm Post subject:

I like the idea of open tires, but I'd hate to see a series be known for drivers having racks of tires in every trailer; it would look like a dirt race. And adding restrictions would only create controversy.

Tested the pipe today: I'm for it. Pulls off the corners nicely and sits on the straights like a supercan: ie still going to have pack racing. I also think it'll keep clutch wear lower, as the motor has more power to get off the clutch stall faster so it doesn't struggle to engage as long.
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Jim McMahon · Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 6:23 pm Post subject:

Jeff Stamper · Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:39 pm Post subject:

Is there a website for the series or did I just miss it ? Thanks
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