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patrick slattery
Joined: 23 Apr 2004 Posts: 789 Location: United States, Ohio, cleves
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 4:54 pm Post subject: NEW YAMAHA WKA PIPE |
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| Are there any dealers out there yet, that have the pipes for sale? |
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Charlie Curry
Joined: 20 Nov 2007 Posts: 57 Location: United States, Illinois, Riverton
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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Laukaitis is expecting their first pre orders to arrive Tuesday along with a couple extras for sale.
Waiting to see how if any of the local tracks or regional series adopt this new pipe before stocking too many. _________________ Michael Curry
JoeyKarter
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John Salsbury
Joined: 02 Aug 2006 Posts: 19 Location: United States, New York, Central
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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I'd like to ask a few questions about the new pipe as well....
Is there any club or organization that has used this pipe? If so, is anyone willing to offer their experiences? I know there are statements made about additional longevity and that it will be faster than the 4 hole, but is there actual experience with racing it over the course of a season rather than information from a test session that really can't give any usefull information about how it performs over time or things to do to avoid problems.
Are there any pictures posted anywhere of the pipe mounted on a kart so we can see what sort of hardware is needed. Does it mount like a tuned pipe or a tag pipe or something different?
Lynn Haddock says the powerband is very similar to the 4 hole can, but also says that the clutch should be adjusted down 600 to 800 rpm.... are these statement contradictory or does it mean that the entire band moves down to around 7800 to 13500? Is there recommendations as far as gear selection compared to 4 hole can?
How does this affect carburetor settings? Will these change as well? We have no time to try this before the first race. I suppose dyno time will help answer some of this, but actual experience would be helpful.
Mike mentioned they are expecting preorders to come in.... would it be inappropriate to ask how many? We are 19hrs from Fla and I'm not willing to make the trip with the chance of having an 8 to 10 kart field. I'm more inclined to wait until after Daytona to see how the class looks before commiting to it. If there was a better idea of how many people were going to run the class, more people might consider joining in as well.
Is anyone planning to run the class? |
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lynn haddock
Joined: 23 Jul 2001 Posts: 482 Location: United States, Tennessee, chattanooga
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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| John Salsbury wrote: |
Lynn Haddock says the powerband is very similar to the 4 hole can, but also says that the clutch should be adjusted down 600 to 800 rpm.... are these statement contradictory or does it mean that the entire band moves down to around 7800 to 13500? |
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What is "contradictory" about my statement ?
I said SIMILAR.
The new pipe does seem to come on a little sooner than the 4 hole and runs about the same on top, thus my comment about a little lower clutch slip.
I am sure with some testing that more performance will be found with fine tuning on this new item.
All I was trying to say was that from what I know currently, the setup from the 4 hole can will be a very good place to start. |
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Jerry VanDeusen
Joined: 26 Sep 2001 Posts: 415
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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| this the same pipe that the west coast has been using the last 2 years? |
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John Salsbury
Joined: 02 Aug 2006 Posts: 19 Location: United States, New York, Central
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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What is "contradictory" about my statement ?
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I didn't say it WAS contradictory - I ASKED if it was..... and you clarfied it for me. To me it sounds like the pipe powerband is a bit broader than the can. Thanks
Please take into consideration that I have no information about the configuration other than what I am reading here... It is supposed to be faster than the 4 hole can, but has a similar powerband so I'm just poking around a little to see what I can find out about it from people that may have seen it or run it.
Sorry if you thought I was challenging you - that wasn't the intent. |
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lynn haddock
Joined: 23 Jul 2001 Posts: 482 Location: United States, Tennessee, chattanooga
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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No worries John.
I have just posted a few things so folks know this new system is not going to be all that much different than the 4 hole deal.
It will be faster, it will be much quieter, it will be easier on the engine (less localized heat) but I do not think it will take an entirely new engine configuration like perhaps a full blown expansion chamber might.
I honestly think when the smoke clears that everyone is gonna be pleased with the change. |
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Dan Rudd
Joined: 15 Oct 2009 Posts: 208
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:02 am Post subject: |
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I consider myself fairly ignorant in the ways of the KT although we have raced it for the past 4 years in Sportsman and Jr Can. My son now has to move up and initially we were looking at TAG but now I will be following the new pipe developements to see how they shake out.
I've read in the other large on-going thread about all the motor work which will need to be done to a Can motor to run this pipe. Then I've read that the pipe can just be bolted on, clutch adjusted and run. Can someone elaborate on this?
Also, wheres the extra speed coming from? If the upper RPM range is the same as a Can then the speed will be the same. 13500 with a Can will be the same as 13500 with a pipe. Simple math dictates that RPM x gearing x wheel diameter/5280= speed (I think? I would have to right out the formula to make sure I'm right). Are people meaning that it will get to speed faster by way of quicker RPM's etc?
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Dan |
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al nunley
Joined: 13 Nov 2006 Posts: 3065
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:19 am Post subject: |
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| Dan Rudd wrote: |
Also, wheres the extra speed coming from? If the upper RPM range is the same as a Can then the speed will be the same. 13500 with a Can will be the same as 13500 with a pipe. |
If the pipe puts out more power. (higher torque curve) you should be able to run less gear, so you’ll be going faster at the same RPM and faster in between, depending on the curve. Just a guess. Over laying dyno curves could answer a lot of your questions.
Maybe someone can post the curves, one with the can, the other with the new pipe.
Strange that the powers that be would make such a big change with no information on what people are suppose to expect. I would think people would be given some ideas. Carb setting, clutch settings, gear ratios, something!! _________________ If the data does not support the theory, get a new theory. (Al Nunley)
All else being equal; Compression is the Holy Grail.
45 years, in and around karting |
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lynn haddock
Joined: 23 Jul 2001 Posts: 482 Location: United States, Tennessee, chattanooga
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Frankie Schaffier
Joined: 18 Jul 2001 Posts: 470 Location: United States, Ohio, Fostoria
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:42 am Post subject: |
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Lynn,
Thanks for taking the time to post the info. _________________ Frankie
Comet Eagle
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Burris Racing www.burrisracing.com
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michael schorn
Joined: 02 Feb 2003 Posts: 578 Location: United States, Oregon, Banks
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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What is the RLV part number for the new Pipe? _________________ OK everyone It's my opinion only, no one elses, and does not reflect any organization or office that I belong to or hold. Thank you for your support.
Portland Karting Association
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John Wehrheim
Joined: 20 Jul 2001 Posts: 1203 Location: United States, Georgia, Norcross
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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I have been told by TS Racing the part numbers are
RLV 7448 is the pipe SR-Y
RLV 9110 is the header |
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Jim Stine
Joined: 06 Feb 2012 Posts: 40 Location: United States, Indiana,
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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| lynn haddock wrote: | | https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4458750038829&set=np.275022010.590196414&type=1 |
Is that dyno with an as-is 2012 spec supercan motor, or were there tuning changes made with the new pipe?
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Kent Laukaitis
Joined: 24 Oct 2002 Posts: 136 Location: United States, Illinois, Decatur
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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Jim,
All we did was run the engine with a 7548 SSX can then switched to the new RLV SR-Y pipe set at approx. 9 3/4. !/4 longer than the minimum. Adjusted carb slightly with no engine changes.
Hope that helps,
Kent Laukaitis
Laukaitis Racing. |
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