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Troy V Smith



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:01 am    Post subject: RLV R4 and EGT... Reply with quote

Not to beat a dead horse, but continuation from a previous post...

I've got an issue with another R4 pipe cracking. I have been told that the cause of the crack is most likely caused due to the heat generated from welding the EGT bung onto the pipe. This first pipe cracked in the very same place, and the EGT bung was welded in the very same place. Now that the second pipe is cracked, I am looking for other options and a solution to the problem.

Where are others attaching the EGT bung onto their pipes - are there others that have had this same issue? Just looking for a solution which will utilize the EGT, but not present further problems in the future. Maybe a different EGT location, different way of fixing the bung to the pipe, different materials or process? Although the crack cause has been identified by RLV, I have not been presented with a "fix" or suggestion to prevent it from happening again.

I realize the pipe can be "fixed" but doesn't do me much good to "fix" it, if the same problem will arise again? And how is one supposed to "weld" the crack, if the heat from a "weld" caused the problem in the first place?

Looking for suggestions in achieving a working RLV R4 pipe with EGT bung in place without resulting in a busted pipe? Lot’s of folks out there using a R4 and EGT without issues – what’s the secret? Can anyone reccomend a good, experienced welder, which can yield better long term results. I think the welder I use does great work, but will certainly try another if better results can be achieved.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the responses on the other thread it looks like brazing the bung in place is the solution as welding creates too much heat...
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there any indication that one side of the pipe would be better than the other? As it is now, i use the bottom, outside of the pipe - would there be any less stress created by using the outside of the pipe - closer to the seat? Hate to bug people about their EGT bungs, but geeze - got to make sure I do everything I can to avoid buying another.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who needs an EGT on s shifter?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

joseph hollinger wrote:
Who needs an EGT on s shifter?

Certainly not me, I'm only a SKUSA mid-pack runner right now, but most of the SKUSA Spec Honda drivers don't use an EGT anyway...
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that's generally true. I used one briefly when I started out, but mostly because I was used to it from TAG. Seems to be pretty rare in stock moto.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why doesn't the pipe break from just being welded together Shocked Shocked Shocked

And don't say they heat treat them after welding Laughing


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ken Schilling wrote:
joseph hollinger wrote:
Who needs an EGT on s shifter?

Certainly not me, I'm only a SKUSA mid-pack runner right now, but most of the SKUSA Spec Honda drivers don't use an EGT anyway...


Well, I'm slower than BOTH of you guys, Laughing and I use an EGT sensor. Probably like Joe, I was used to it from TaG, so I kept using them.
It's one of the tools that helps me to decide what jets to use. Not a critical item, but still a tool, nonetheless.

And yes, the bung needs to be brazed onto the pipe.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

good information !
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have brazed mine for years with no problems.

I am one of the oddballs that use EGT. I road race (wth Joe and Kerry). I use the information for tweaking my jetting program.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike Goebel wrote:

And don't say they heat treat them after welding Laughing


Mike G.


Actually, they are gas welded which is self "normalizing".....

and who says they don't crack???? Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris Reinhardt wrote:


Actually, they are gas welded which is self "normalizing".....


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RLV told me they TIG weld the R4 pipe Shocked

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike Goebel wrote:
RLV told me they TIG weld the R4 pipe Shocked

Mike G.


They lied! Shocked

They look gas welded to me, unless the newer/cracked stuff in now tig'd....
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris Reinhardt wrote:
Mike Goebel wrote:
RLV told me they TIG weld the R4 pipe Shocked

Mike G.


They lied! Shocked

They look gas welded to me, unless the newer/cracked stuff in now tig'd....

Gas or Tig, makes little difference in mild steel.
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Chris Reinhardt wrote:

They lied! Shocked



That's what I thought Shocked


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