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Brian Degulis
Joined: 13 Aug 2012 Posts: 415 Location: United States, Florida,
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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| joseph hollinger wrote: | | Brian Degulis wrote: |
I visited tracks and met people that started in shifter some just used them recreationally some raced. If you go to a tack and talk to a shifter guy and tell him your new to this and want to get a shifter his first words will be don't. That's probably because he's seen that happen and seen that person jump into a crowded practice session or race and put everyone at risk. |
It's more than that. In general, and there are exceptions, most people learn faster if they start in a lower-powered, clutch kart and in most cases they will wind up being better drivers in the long run. |
Of course what your saying is true. What I think some of you pros miss is that not everyone wants to be a pro or the very best they can be. Some just want to enjoy themselves and accept that a longer learning curve will be needed and they will enjoy that learning curve more running something they like.
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Greg Wright
Joined: 25 Oct 2001 Posts: 2499 Location: United States, Indiana, Clermont
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Brian Degulis wrote: | | That's probably because he's seen that happen and seen that person jump into a crowded practice session or race and put everyone at risk. |
Actually Brian, that's way down the list of reasons why that advice is given.
The biggest reason is that most kart racers want new racers to stay in the sport for a long time and they know that this route almost invariably results in a quick "in and out" of the sport. (I said almost)
I've been involved in the sport for a very long time and the ONLY (Emphasis on ONLY) kart racers that I've seen get into karting and be successful after starting in shifters were experienced motorcycle racers!! _________________ Greg Wright
Rapid Racing Inc.
NKN Columnist & Host "Karting News Live"
I AM INDY!!
"When in doubt, gas it. It won't help but it ends the suspense." |
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Brian Degulis
Joined: 13 Aug 2012 Posts: 415 Location: United States, Florida,
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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Again I'm new to this but that just doesn't make sense to me. If those that start in shifter get out because it's to much for them then they would step down to TAG instead of leaving karts altogether. Those guys probably did an impulse buy and would drop out regardless of what level they entered. There are plenty of like new TAG's available in fact I think there are more than shifters. So that logic just doesn't work for me.
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Cesar Rull
Joined: 08 Sep 2012 Posts: 317 Location: United States, Florida, Pembroke Pines
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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Well I bought a packaged from Steve at Extreme Motorsports.
But I learned enough from this thread to make an educated purchase. Thank you all very much.
I have one question, The kick starter gets plugged by steve, can I buy a swedetech plug and change it myself without opening the motor? (just for looks) I like some of the gold pieces they make.
Also what would be the best way to plug one of the water inlets in the cylinder cap in the future if I wanted to? Do I just go to homedepot and get a brass fitting that matches the thread or is it more complicated than than? |
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Tim Salvino
Joined: 20 Nov 2010 Posts: 257
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:41 am Post subject: |
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You just spent like $4K on a brand new, fully prepared engine package.
Even if this is the only advise you follow, please listen closely.
DO NOT MESS WITH IT!!!
Install it, and run it. Every time you have a question, call Steve. He now knows what you have, and how to make it work best. Any and every engine question you have can now be answered directly by the person that actually assembled that engine.
Now go have some fun! |
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Cesar Rull
Joined: 08 Sep 2012 Posts: 317 Location: United States, Florida, Pembroke Pines
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:11 am Post subject: |
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LOL , yes Tim thank you. You are right.
I was just wondering. I plan to leave it alone. May kiss it here and there but will leave it alone for the most part. |
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Brian Degulis
Joined: 13 Aug 2012 Posts: 415 Location: United States, Florida,
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:33 am Post subject: |
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Can anyone kake a comparision between the CR125 and the KX125? As far as performance parts and service.
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Michael Taksa
Joined: 25 Jul 2001 Posts: 1399 Location: United States, Massachusetts, Boston
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:36 am Post subject: |
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| About the same, KX, may be even a little better in stock form, I know it definitely sounds better. BUT to run the KX you will need to run it in MOD class. Can't run KX or YZ in Stock Honda class. |
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Greg Wright
Joined: 25 Oct 2001 Posts: 2499 Location: United States, Indiana, Clermont
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:59 am Post subject: |
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| Brian Degulis wrote: | | Again I'm new to this but that just doesn't make sense to me. If those that start in shifter get out because it's to much for them then they would step down to TAG instead of leaving karts altogether. |
Maybe they aren't made out of money and aren't willing to invest in another over priced kart package after getting burned once. _________________ Greg Wright
Rapid Racing Inc.
NKN Columnist & Host "Karting News Live"
I AM INDY!!
"When in doubt, gas it. It won't help but it ends the suspense." |
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Cesar Rull
Joined: 08 Sep 2012 Posts: 317 Location: United States, Florida, Pembroke Pines
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Greg Wright wrote: | | Brian Degulis wrote: | | Again I'm new to this but that just doesn't make sense to me. If those that start in shifter get out because it's to much for them then they would step down to TAG instead of leaving karts altogether. |
Maybe they aren't made out of money and aren't willing to invest in another over priced kart package after getting burned once. |
Lack of backbone.. If I were to find the shifter too fast, I would then get a DD2. As a matter of fact, I will eventually get a DD2 NIB. |
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Greg Wright
Joined: 25 Oct 2001 Posts: 2499 Location: United States, Indiana, Clermont
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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That comment wasn't addressed to you Cesar. However the fact is that nearly every person than I've dealt with that went too big the first time dropped out never to be seen again. The too big comment also applies to TAG, DD2, Rotax and others.
I've seen more than a few people that a 100cc can kart was more than they could handle, hell I see them every weekend it's ugly!! But not as ugly as it gets when they jump right into an 80+ MPH kart. _________________ Greg Wright
Rapid Racing Inc.
NKN Columnist & Host "Karting News Live"
I AM INDY!!
"When in doubt, gas it. It won't help but it ends the suspense." |
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Stu Hayner
Joined: 23 Dec 2006 Posts: 225 Location: United States, California, Yorba Linda
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Cesar Rull wrote: | | Greg Wright wrote: | | Brian Degulis wrote: | | Again I'm new to this but that just doesn't make sense to me. If those that start in shifter get out because it's to much for them then they would step down to TAG instead of leaving karts altogether. |
Maybe they aren't made out of money and aren't willing to invest in another over priced kart package after getting burned once. |
Lack of backbone.. If I were to find the shifter too fast, I would then get a DD2. As a matter of fact, I will eventually get a DD2 NIB. |
Do either of you guys have even a small idea why there are so many "like new" TAGs - DD2s and shifters for sale?
Think about it - even just for a moment. _________________ Remember......it's not always the best arrow...but more importantly the best Indian. |
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Cesar Rull
Joined: 08 Sep 2012 Posts: 317 Location: United States, Florida, Pembroke Pines
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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| ^ people have commitments and families? Not everyone is a 16 yrs old with rich parents? |
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Cesar Rull
Joined: 08 Sep 2012 Posts: 317 Location: United States, Florida, Pembroke Pines
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Greg Wright wrote: | That comment wasn't addressed to you Cesar. However the fact is that nearly every person than I've dealt with that went too big the first time dropped out never to be seen again. The too big comment also applies to TAG, DD2, Rotax and others.
I've seen more than a few people that a 100cc can kart was more than they could handle, hell I see them every weekend it's ugly!! But not as ugly as it gets when they jump right into an 80+ MPH kart. |
I seen people who cannot handle a 5.5hp or 9hp kart. I m not saying I will handle a 20 something shifter right of the bad. I plan to take baby steps with the driving.. before I can even try to race at the club level. Listen I am not going to lie, a shifter is intimidating, so I would prefer a DD2. But since everyone told me that "DD2 pretty much sucks" (which I still don't believe) I bought the next best thing up.
If I truly find the shifter is too much, I will sell it and get something else. I don't plan to give up karting anytime soon. I just got into it guys !.
But honestly, anyone really wanting to stay in the sport would just sell their high HP kart and get something else. I mean if they give up that quickly.. well.. that's too bad for them... I think. |
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Cesar Rull
Joined: 08 Sep 2012 Posts: 317 Location: United States, Florida, Pembroke Pines
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Ill be honest, if I could install paddle shifters on the Moto kart or a KZ I would feel much better. I think I need to get use to taking my hand off the wheel. That is the hardest thing about driving a shifter in my opinion. |
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