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Andrew M. Coulter
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I'm not saying he was in the right, but, he did not take a substance that would lead to lack of judgement on the track or give him any sort of advantage. In his case, I believe a fine would have been enough.
What is worse, a driver that made bad judgement away from the track and took a Adderall pill (which is a very common perscription) or a driver like Busch on track with temper problems that constantly gets off. However, as Gordan advised AJ, he should have just told the truth from the get go. Not that it would have probably changed the outcome though.  |
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John Kuntze
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| Quote: | [quote="Andrew M. Coulter"]Sounds to me that the whole ordeal is ridiculous. What exactly does this mean? Can people with ADHD not race NASCAR? Adderall is a prescription pill given to people with ADHD symptons to help them concentrate. Not a drug, not an illegal substance, not anything that would hinder on track performance. Seems like a pretty harsh reason to take away someones career.
I personally hope he takes a ride in IndyCar. I'm tired of the soap oprah Nascar has became. jmo! |
If he had a valid perscription he would have been cleared. He has nobody to blame but himself.
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Jeff DeMello
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:34 am Post subject: |
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Who's to say that was his first time??? I have been studying for my drug test for the last 23 years 
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Steve Heagney
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:50 am Post subject: |
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| Andrew M. Coulter wrote: | | I'm not saying he was in the right, but, he did not take a substance that would lead to lack of judgement on the track or give him any sort of advantage. In his case, I believe a fine would have been enough. |
I don't have any first hand knowledge of adderalls effects, but my understanding is that taking this medication without being prescribed/dosed properly by a doctor can lead to it having the effects of a controlled substance. It seems to be fairly popular amongst college students to take adderall while preparing for finals or other tests since it not only might help them concentrate, but also helps keep them up and 'alert' during all nighters. What if he were to take this drug the night before a race, or any other on track activity for that matter, then experience a 'mental crash'(come off the drugs effects) while on track? Could be pretty bad, especially at a place like Daytona. |
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Chris Hurst
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:26 pm Post subject: Update for those who care |
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Not really buying AJs story. No way anyone is going to convince me a grown man doesn't know the difference between adderall and an "energy pill." That said, I think there are worse things in the world than an adderall pill.
Studies have shown that driving after being awake for 24 hours is equivalent to driving after drinking a decent amount.
So which is the lesser of two evils: driving a 200mph race car exhausted, or driving a 200mph race car on a banned substance that keeps you alert and awake  |
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Curt Smock
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I'm confused. is AJ's problem
1) the substance is banned even with a scrpit?
2) The substance is permitted with a script and he was taking it without one?
3) AJ had a script but did not report it?
I do know this about ADD drugs and racing. They work.
I don't have time to research this but maybe someone will know. Didn't Stirling Moss have an issue with this. |
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Wayne Williams
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| Curt Smock wrote: | I'm confused. is AJ's problem
1) the substance is banned even with a scrpit?
2) The substance is permitted with a script and he was taking it without one?
3) AJ had a script but did not report it?
I do know this about ADD drugs and racing. They work.
I don't have time to research this but maybe someone will know. Didn't Stirling Moss have an issue with this. |
1) Most anti-doping policies have provisions for theraputic use of certain medications. If you have a legitimate medical need for a substance, you can usually get permission to use it but there are still thresholds you cannot pass. For example, there are professional cyclists who have Therapudic Use Exemptions (TUEs) for albuterol inhalers for their asthma. But they can and have been penalized if the albuterol levels exceed what their TUE allows.
2) Perhaps it is and it certainly seems he has no script, unless his drinking buddy's friend is a physician.
3) He said he isn't being treated for ADHD nor did he indicate his drinking buddy's friend is a physician so I'd say it's pretty unlikely. Plus, if he had the script, you can bet he would have shown it to NASCAR and Penske the second he got told about the first test. |
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Keith Buffo
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Curt Smock
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I had some time to read up at work yesterday.
A friend had given AJ a pill because he was tired.
Moss did have a mixture of stuff he admits to using that let him concentrate even when fatigued. This could be a huge advantage in NASCAR considering they grind lug nuts to reduce weight. (joke).
I think it's possible NASCAR bans these even with a perscription. Otherwise there'd be 43 ADD drivers in every race.
Like I said, they work. If a driver had something to keep a mental edge even late in a long, hot race, that could be huge.
As far as if we believe AJ it was a one off, he barely hit the threshold for testing + |
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Tyson Henry
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| Andrew M. Coulter wrote: | Sounds to me that the whole ordeal is ridiculous. What exactly does this mean? Can people with ADHD not race NASCAR? Adderall is a prescription pill given to people with ADHD symptons to help them concentrate. Not a drug, not an illegal substance, not anything that would hinder on track performance. Seems like a pretty harsh reason to take away someones career.
I personally hope he takes a ride in IndyCar. I'm tired of the soap oprah Nascar has became. jmo! |
Just want to point out the ridiculousness of this. Adderall is most certainly a drug. A pretty damn potent one at that. If you dont believe me, go take a 20mg XR Adderall and tell me if you sleep for 24-36 hours. Or better yet, eat 40mg of it and chew it up. You will feel EXTREMELY high.
Adderall is prescribed speed. |
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Mike Burris
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Thom Andresen
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More likely he's been snortin' crank, a cheap form of meth made in trailer kitchens, often causes gritting of teeth, self-destruction, inability to pay bills, romantic relationships with ones aids infected cousin, complete mental retardation and finally ejection from NASCAR. 
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