FUEL PUMP AROUND SYSTEM VS REG CARB

[Michael Taksa]

Don, some tracks have banked turns. I used to race with a "T" fitting and floats in the bowl in the carb, ran ok everywhere except for a "bowl" turn at NHIS. 30 degree banked 180 degree turn. speed of 90 MPH.

[Steve Perdue]

Hi Don,

Check out my Smarty video in the video section.You will see my G's are on average above 1.5 Also when I am getting good grip I think 2 is a good no. we look for in the video ,unless Smary cam g sensors are wronge.

Bob ,
We are selling full packages with rad kits for $4500.00 thats everything bud.
So if that is the cost of their full national package then great ,Those are not no. I heard,so just the fuel system is $400.00 ,you get all the tricks for under $5000.00 Wow I must have old info.

Now if we can all keep it at $5000.00 or less that would be cool Ey.I then would not care if you put a zebra and camel on the motor and said it makes it faster but still cost $5000.00

Lets keep the class around and not give Tag and Rotax shops the leverage to sway people away from shifters.They all use the cost against us.
Thanks for the pricing updates on Swede tech motors Bob.
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[Tom Barth]

Michael,

Try raising the float level just a little. That may give you enough fuel to get through the bowl.
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[Steve Perdue]

Hi Michael,

If you run the lower float bowl tube from the bowl vent above the top of the carb, it will not run out of gas as it goes up the tube it then returns when needed.Never over flowing or messes,Cost $.60

Run the fuel in to the fuel pump and the out to the tank and the other to the carb. if you have a 3rd just plug it ,another .40.
as long as the fuel has some were to go and can then return in corners if needed. The fuel level can even be seen in this $.60 vent tube going up from the float bowl to the top of the carb.

Move the float bowl the wronge way and boom you just leaned out and smoked a motor.We do not touch the float bowl ever,unless someone else moved it.Then we move back to spec.

I road race and sprint race, so I do know it works for both very consistantly!

In 08 I was 5th on the Podium in S4 and started 40th every heat and 16th in the main to get 5th and 3rd fasted lap by .011 or so.
We were on the podium with the SRS Texas motors and 2 of mine from the NW.

The next year Jeff L won his 3rd national championship ,I looked over at his fuel set up and his was just as mine was,and how I described here.None of us have these isues described here.If I knew who did his motor I would say,it was good it stayed together for him to win a spec class.Again
NO mess,No cutting out!! NO extra COST
Give it a try
Good luck man

Hope this helps
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[Oscar Aguilera]

don i had a mychron on my kart and downloaded info when i had the chance which wasnt often.

but the data i had was off bobby wilson's info. paul leary built mine and his motors. so i got to see his data when paul showed it to me. so i guess the numbers are relative to each guage?

on that data if you hit the curb at oklahoma you would spike 5g?

regardless we were at full throttle down shifting from 6th to 2nd making right turns till we finally did a hairpin left.

i hurt my ribs there and have never hurt my ribs anywhere anytime. i have never worn a rib vest and have never even been bruised. i fortunately have the perfect stature for karting....im short! but my ribs were tender from racing a regional on the same track the week before so it just aggrivated them to go back the following weekend.

several drivers have hurt there ribs on this particular track. and these are fast young guys in good shape. i want to say it was wherheim? i was watching him struggle with hurt ribs...i dont know if they were hurt before but they were hurting that week is saw him.


rodney's track in oklahoma is why the pump around exists. you cant hit 4g unless it is a big race with lots of rubber. on a regional race we hit 3g or so. but regardless of how high g's really are.....this track has the highest. i have raced on just about every track mentioned on these forums. i race skusa PMT for 3 years so we covered alot of tracks and this was before they had a east and west type deal...but i raced during those days too.

you will never hit high g's in a road race environment,,,but you do use alot of fuel. my pump around never fails me and i do go to oklahoma on occassion and have road raced.

i never ran tracks without a pump around after we put one on so i dont have an opinion of use of anther system other than my problems at ok.

i will tell you this, without problems at ANY track...i was able to focus on other important aspects of racing which there are many!

swede tech...low tech,,,no tech,,,pick a motor builder and do ALL THAT THAT MOTOR BUILDER RECOMMENDS.. this will make communication easier to fix problems at the track...with rookie tuners most of the time the jetting is so far off the kart will bog and sputter. so if you follow your motor builders guidelines then you can eliminate the x's to solve for y!

is that why they call it FORMULA racing...like math you eliminate variables to get all the speed and momentum you can?

just my opinon...i run swede tech with the pump around..i dont have the new spaghetti system..i am happy with what i have. my stuff is fast..i ran their mod stuff and it was fast too. i won a PMT on my swedetech. i credit part of my success to my motor builder,,,the great service,,,and the constant reassurance that i received when jet changes made sense. my chassis was well tuned and i usually ran 1 -2 jet sizes bigger than most others at the same event. if your chassis is loose and getting good traction you can burn more fuel because you dont bog down. the more fuel you burn the faster you go. constant leaning on the carb is a sign of a chassis that is too tight.

spend your money wisely....sometimes assurance of a good product with proven results cost more....you decide on your budget and the level of confidence you want to buy.

because after all....you are buying with confidence when you look at swedetech's record over the last few years. other than bobby wilson's reign with pauls stuff....most recent years have been all swedetech.

if you go way back there was lapoint and elliott. i beleive art built elliotts and la point's dad built his sons? not sure. my point was all the success swedetech has recorded.....look it up.

and by the way...i was a sponsored driver for paul leary...i paid for all my swedetech stuff when i got tired of being the guinea pig for testing some of pauls stuff. . i bought 2 used swedetechs with 2 seasons on them. updated them and ran them all season. i didnt even have new motors and they ran with ron whites newest stuff off the corner and down the straight. my motors actually began as david stovers old motors if you know how long ago that was? i have a stock moto now that i bought new in 08. its fast! it comes with all the nicest mounts..the best motor mount imo and it has the plates that cover the power valve holes that make it easier to keep clean. it has all the bells and whistles and it is the same package they sell today. most importantly, it works for me when i need it to.
what alot of drivers dont realize is how important fuel line is. i always run freeline fuel line. i wont flex under pressure and collapse. you need fuel line that stays flexable and wont collapse on itself which pinches off the fuel supply to the carb when the pump is doing its job. i run freeline fuel line on everykart i own. i even saw this problem in rotax when i bought cheap fuel line.

sorry anther long post...but my typing is getting faster!

[Jason Berry]

Steve,

To clear the record on the stock honda package from SwedeTech, please take a moment and visit our online store. All I ask is when belittling SwedeTech, please use accurate and current numbers. http://www.shopswedetech.com/SKUSA_Stock_Moto_S1_S4_classes_p/cr125%20comp%20no%20rad.htm

As you will see, the dyno charge is extra. Some customers prefer the added service of an engine that was run on the dyno. It is not a requirement.

With the cost of your 7000 stock moto, you could buy a SwedeTech and a years worth of karting spares to keep the machine on the track.

We do not advocate modifying the stock honda package. We try to find solutions to problems that exist, WITHIN THE RULES. Our fuel system was designed WITHIN THE RULES because of the carburetors we are MANDATED to run by the sanctioning bodies.

When you have customers complaining about a problem, do you try to find a solution? Or do you give them $0.60 advice?

There are plenty of opportunities for both styles of customer support and business plans. We appreciate those that want to keep cost down and help local karters by keeping them in the sport longer. This is a huge part of the karting problem, we need longer karter retention.

SwedeTech offers a different service for those that chose it. We don't claim our engines will put you on the top step of the SuperNationals, but there is a reason drivers select us for their engine supplier.
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[Alex King]

And I can confirm here that I recently bought a complete SwedeTech engine package (from SwedeTech) and paid exactly as listed in the site. If someone is paying $7K - $8K as stated earlier for a Stock Honda package, I will be happy to flip the one I just bought - and will even delivery it for free.

[Alex King]

I can also testify here that they don't. I have called SwedeTech for the past 3 years, trying to find a way for them to tell me that I would have some magic engine from them...they were consistently w/ their response and very HUMBLE about it. In my view, as a consumer, I took into consideration (among other thigns) that STR engines have dominated the Stock Honda class at SuperNationals in the past 2 years - this is a fact.

[Mike Goebel]

Actually Alex doesn't have that particular engine in his possession. However I do and will sell for $7K or $8K. Please let me know which amount you will be paying and when you would like to come pick it up.


Mike G.

[Mike Adams]

Swedetech is top notch. All the little extra's they do make it well worth it. From the ignition box mount to quick change gear device they made and there continuing research to make things better.
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Zaino clear seal Wipe on, and walk away, you're done. No buffing. No final wipe down. Simplicity at it's best. Just apply & let dry.

[mike collins]

I so enjoy watching those that BITCH about something and they never have all the facts when doing so, and then, when corrected, they try to figure out if the foot needs more salt on it.

Again
Glieges law
Never apply logic to and illogical situation
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[Brian Wilhelm]

I have been using SwedeTech since 2005 and I can verify that these guys do exactly what they say they will do, and do not promise what they can't deliver. Their pricing is fair with no surprises. Their customer service is exceptional and they are very approchable.
For years I have heard uninformed individuals tell me this or that about how much SwedeTech stuff costs. Funny, it always comes from folks who don't run SwedeTech. I had a guy come up to me at Daytona and say he wanted to see what a $9,000 F/C Pavesi looked like. I told him I'd like to see one too..........
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[Randy Pierson]

I don't have any dog in this fight but I have a story that i'd like to share.

My sons and I road race and I build all our engines as engines, fuel injection, etc etc is what I do for a living. Kart motors are for fun.

To the story: 2010 Miller USKGP. We are all hanging in the hot pits getting ready to take the warm up lap for the 125 shifter race. It's hot, the elevation is high and guess what happens. My full fuel tank decides to fill the crankcase up a bit so now the engine won't fire. To my rescue comes Jason Berry from Swedetech who pushes me in the kart for an eternity until it fires. ( and I'm talking a football field and then some) He doesn't know me but he had to see the CKT stickers on the kart while he was pushing me and looking things over to help get it started. I take the start and finish 3rd ( only to get booted for being a couple pounds light, I sweated a lot )

That moment sealed the deal for me. He went above the call of duty and took care of someone who was not a customer at the time, but a potential one. A very unselfish act. Since, everytime I have asked him or Rene at the races I see them at, a question I get a straight no BS answer...no riddles just what they honestly feel. That in itself is worth it all.

So...while some will question everything and I agree that all karting engines in general are too much money, The boys at Swedetech will tell you like it is and chances are if it's in their catalog, it works pretty well.

[Alex King]

Randy - thanks for sharing your story but I can assure you that Jason had to work much harder to 'sign me up' as customer than pushing you around...hahaha...

I got into Stock Honda back in 2008 and as it is the case today - as consumers in the karting industry - I had then as we have today, many great options in regards to where we get these packages (local kart shop, local engine builder, 'regionally' or 'nationally' recorgnized engined builders) - we are the consumers so we have the ultimate choice! But my choice back then was to go w/ someone else other than SwedeTech. I had mixed experiences over a period and Jason was always there...never tried to push a sale at all (never), he was just there if needed...over time...I have spoken w/ Jason for 1,857 minutes over the phone...exchanged 548 emails...sent 209 text messages...received from him 12 different quotes...to finally...I pulled the trigger and bought the engine from them. Again, there are great sources out there for sale/sevices, but I have many many reasons to believe that SwedeTech is the best source and I can very well justify any price differential over other sources (which by the way, if any, it is MINIMAL).

[Steve Buckner]