FUEL PUMP AROUND SYSTEM VS REG CARB

Steve Perdue · Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:38 pm Post subject:

Jason,

As a business owner,Not just My shop.I have been watching the decline of this sport in the NW because of the competition saying that tag is cheaper Rotax is cheaper,and when we were modded this was true as hell!

But we are not that way anymore,and the spec Honda class has been growing because of its affordability,we as business owners should learn how that all went down and why did the shifters Die out years ago,it was not that long ago from a business stand point.

It was great with the economy booming to see the mods grow as the shops built and sold.But now were is the economy? And if the motor cost are close to the same as they were back then ,when Modded, what is that going to do to shifters later on.

As all the shops all around the country are telling all the new people to start in Rotax or tag!because its cheaper.We are against the odds,way more shops can order a put together motor make a grand and never lift a finger,we are competing with that.How many Honda builders are there in the country?And how many shops sell Rotax and Tag?Odds against us again.How many Honda dealers that do the motors?

So that being said if we take off the ST system are really saying that those drivers would not have been on the podiums?If 13hp is worth only a few tenths with G1 against Spec Honda,

Anyways,
Spec Honda started at about $5000.00 and now close to 8000,00 with taxes. no grinding and such.

Second I took a leap of faith and I am now the newest and first dealer in the country for The AMV chassis ,I also Do the Intrepid, as the economy predicts what I do sometimes The new AMV , with a very high quality and low cost chassis is only $4395 brand new! and our Intrepid is about $5200.00. I have broken all my personal best on every track I have been to with it so far,as well as some SO cal drivers did the same thing,beat there own track records.So it works as good as the rest.

And I am trying to keep the drivers around so I can have a people to race with later down the road.Not complaining about my own personal cost,its very cheap for me to race.

Swede Tech is probably the #1 Motor builder in the country for Honda Engines, excellent reputation! Period

That does not mean I agree with the marketing or the cost,and I will speak out to keep this sport growing If I have to sell mine cheaper and find Italian Karts that work cheaper.Our importer is local here as well so we have full US support for the AMV chassis/ wheels/componites.Most of the other chassis have run there componites or have inquired,they have been making componites and wheels for years for other karts and now they have made there own chassis for there own componites and there own wheels. Cool stuff

Chris, I am self employed as well,2 companies,and that attitude is great,yes I have a full sponsored ride and also an outside sponsored ride,Pits paid for and more and on and on,Yet how fun would it be doing it by myself? Hope to see you at the Spring Nats.

Not everyone is in that great position or in my happy little boat,I am just wanting to see the sport grow,no one is complaining about cost we are just being Honest in what a guy needs to be competitive and its not a $8000.00 motor!!

PS . I am glad to hear you are still in it tooo,as I watched over 20 guys self employed leave karting over the last 2 years.

OH and Collins,who is he anyways, Shocked

I Have many videos on line right now!! send me one were I am stalling or stumbling,starving for fuel ,at least motor wise.I was off this year not My engine.I could only get to Mid 46.00. I did not do a spell check so you may correct any spelling issues you see. Wink

All and all I love you guys Very Happy

and it is a privilege to be able to do this sport at all!
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Chris Reinhardt · Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:36 pm Post subject:

Jeff DeMello · Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:38 pm Post subject:

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$ 8,000 for a stock Honda package ?. Pardon my french, but if you pay 8K for a stock Honda engine package you have a screw loose "Really". We sell them for $ 3,975.00 http://www.extremegokarts.com/honda-cr125-stock-moto-complete-engine-package-w-free-radiator-p-3.html?cPath=1 And they are as fast as any Stock Honda package out there. We all buy the same parts from the same place "HONDA", and you cannot machine or grind on the parts. There are only a few things that you can do that is legal to them and we all do that. Same pipes, same silencers and after market reeds. HUM 8K. Guess we otta raise our prices LOL

Bob Francis · Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:10 pm Post subject:

This is ridiculous, I would like to point out that Swedetech and Mike Speed have won a few races. If they say this GFS works I am not going to doubt there assessment. I'm sure the track and dyno time has been spent to verify the results. Keep in mind that as stated before that the GFS doesn't produce any more HP by itself it just makes jetting more consistent and easier to achieve a good state of tune. That being said if you feel you can tune with a Y fitting or a pump around as well as people with the GFS then go for it. Nobody has to buy anything it is a choice, if I had the money for the system and I had everything else in place, I would do it. Keep in mind if the chassis sucks and the driver isn't consistent no fuel system in the world will fix or over come those issues. If you feel the fuel system is causing you grief and it costing you race wins would you waste 2 more sets of tires or by the system that may fix your problem? Doesn't seem like a hard decision but oh well.
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Alex King · Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:40 pm Post subject: Re: CR125 Fuel System

It's just to hard to go against it...when you know that these 8 ELITE SuperStar TOP racing drivers listed below have the complete SwedeTech package.

Bob Francis · Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:46 pm Post subject:

Alex can you run with those guys if you have the GFS system? Question answered. You get to make the call.
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Alex King · Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:48 pm Post subject:

WHAT?!?! I am screwed...hahaha...

Steve Perdue · Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:04 pm Post subject:

Point I am making is ,,,,NO pump a rounds ,no t's , no over flow bottles ,no mess and no cutting out.

And Alex the Spec Honda class is cool ,because this class proves how good of drivers these guys are,its not the elite Swede motor.Switch motors with no Swede fuel system and your all still on the podium Wink

Its a drivers class and afordable.

So Swede motors are proven to be reliable the support is great and the record shows for its self.If you can get one ,definatly a good choice.

Just not the only one.

Again I was only pionting out that you can compete without a high $ package.Or fuel system.

And I am glad they do what they do in supporting the sport for sure.
Got to have some one to chase..... Very Happy

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Steve Perdue · Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:16 pm Post subject:

So how does a Spec motor that you have anyone assemble become a $7000.00 plus package??? Is there that much of an issue when you assemble that you have to dyno it to see it the assembler didn't mess up the bearings,if the crank was trued right nothing to do there.Do a good break in of coarse then dyno.In this class dyno is great for learning many things but in spec Honda we have not found the need as we did when porting cylinders and cutting heads and changing port timing and changing timing and setting the timing in the Ignition box, and hogging the carbs,wow a lot of Dyno time and labor on mods.Were is all this time now that a package should get to 7000.00 or more when most were that in the mod days?? Sounds like a Nike thing to me.

chassis does not matter that much,they are different but most work as good as the next,so get the cost down on karts,,RE, AMV @ $4395.00
and a motor at $4000.00 to $5000.000 is high enough in cost for a spec class we are trying to grow.

Nike also puts a high price on the shoes,but the shoes are made for 2.00 by small children in other countries.And people pay for the name, Swede is one of those respected names,look at the Francis comments,total non shifter guy and he is sold on what ever fuel delivery system or cost that is put out there by big names .

In a perfect group, communication between the promoters and engine builders would have resolved this by placing a cap on the cost we sell engines for spec classes at. No one would want to see the class get to what it was in the MOD days,We did not agree to do this class back in the day to just keep pushing up the cost. Rolling Eyes

And Jason that is great to work an engine for optimal performance, that only applies with the mods,Spec is supposed to be less of all that you are applying,You cant try and do a different system for Rotax because it is controlled by the rules maybe we need some more rules for our spec Honda class,,,hey Mod away in G1,Honda can beat the ICC just don't blow up the compression and add little more HP to get a couple tenths.
Ask Jimmy or look at his times in G1 and S4 .

Believe me Jason I work on my engines to get Optimal performance as well,and there is only so much time to spend on the Spec package.I take longer then most to do my motors.

It would be nice to set a cap on this motor package!! You don't see Rotax at $4000,$5000.00 and $7500.00

Again the Rotax people use this to sell over the Honda,our inconsistent prices on a spec package and they say to all we cost more to run and that's not true at all.

You don't have to answer any of the questions just consider the future of your sport and the involvement of karters in spec Honda.Rotax is our competition.Thats all I am saying, I do not use these engines as my main sorce of income so it is easy for me to say all this **** ,I know you guys are running a full motor shop.So it may be easier for me to write off time used to get a motor just right.

Wink

Cheers
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Bob Francis · Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:27 pm Post subject:

Steve, where do you get those numbers? Swedetech online shows $3224.00 for a motor only and given the cost of the kit is is a great deal. Their package less radiator is $4985. and that too is fair. I am pretty sure they do need to make a profit at what they do, so they can come to events and service their customers along with other things.
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Alex King · Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:45 pm Post subject:

$7K to $7.5K for a Stock Honda Engien Package? Wow!!! So not only you can save THOUSANDS if you buy a package from SwedeTech, but you can also buy it w/ confidence - knowing that such pacakges have dominated SuperNats in the past 2 years (facts) and that such packages offer solid re-sale value? Wow!!!

Don Zerangue · Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:07 pm Post subject: Fuel pump around system

Oscar, per your post on Jan 10th, I've enjoyed many of your past post, but 4 lateral g's for 7 sec!!!! What were you driving? Must have been a typo! To my knowledge, 1.39 sustained g's is the highest recorded in a kart----to exceed 2 gs in a kart with out aerodynamic grip, I say is near impossible.
As to the driver who broke ribs----sustained g's in a kart does not break healthy ribs!
Oscar, keep the post coming, I've enjoyed them and learned a bunch.