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Tom Jensen
Joined: 08 Jul 2003 Posts: 10149 Location: United States, Nevada, Reno
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:27 pm Post subject: Re: Snats |
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| Joseph Johnson wrote: | | I watched the TaG cadet crash and it was ugly. Made me sick to watch, but great job by the tuner who came through the fence to get him over the barriers. The kart did a 180 in the air and landed on top of the other kart upside down. Hopefully the drivers are ok |
I saw it as well. He got t-boned pretty hard. _________________ Sex is like pizza. When it's good it's great and when it's bad, it's still pretty good. |
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Michael Thompson 11
Joined: 29 Jun 2009 Posts: 65 Location: United States, Nevada, Las Vegas
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:20 am Post subject: |
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| Is there a page that shows the grand prize for each class? I know KZ2 winner gets $10,000 but what do the other winners get? |
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Dave Stevens
Joined: 18 Jul 2001 Posts: 2022 Location: United States, Nevada, Vegas Baby
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:11 am Post subject: |
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| Michael Thompson 11 wrote: | | Is there a page that shows the grand prize for each class? I know KZ2 winner gets $10,000 but what do the other winners get? |
T-shirts, sunglasses.... But seriously, the prizes were better than ever this year. Some contingencies and other neat rewards. IIRC EKN listed them in a preview and SKUSA has the announcement press releases on the site. Way for Honda to step up and support karting. How many contingencies did the European manufacturers offer to the amateur classes? I don't know, just asking.
More shaky vid from my Hemorrhoid powered phone...
KZ2 start into first corner and S4 start into first corner.
I didin't being more gear or shoot more pics because I simply wanted to enjoy the race.
http://roaddog.com/racing/2011/11/22/final-clips-snats-2k11/ _________________ It's a cross between a chick car and a shifter kart
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Todd Bridgeman
Joined: 18 Jul 2001 Posts: 77 Location: Minnesota
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:30 pm Post subject: Thanks |
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Want to thank SKUSA for putting on another great weekend. Considering the length of days and the amount of races that needed to be managed they did an outstanding job.
Only small issues that we really had was as spectators we needed to go all the way into the Casino for food so we were forced to miss racing at some point of the day, no big deal other than Sunday when we missed all the kids races and would have missed KF if they were on time. The time it took to get food at the grill, deli and BK was stupefying. The larger track barriers also made it difficult to see much of the track, understand that they needed more/larger do to the wind issues but need to find a compromise somehow going forward
The final KZ race was outstanding and the first Tag Senior heat race was also outstanding.
On a statistical note; I find that it’s interesting that on the 25 lap races that the top ten in the KF class would have finished in front of fastest S1 racer (KF tenth at 19:45.658, S1 first at 19:48.043)
Also that every racer that finished the G1 race was faster than the fastest S4 car (Last place finisher in G1 16:14.411, First place in S4 17:29.271) In fact the entire G1 grid would have lapped the S4 grid, not one of the Honda’s would have even finished the race. So much for Moto’s competing with ICC; at least at a national level.
As a fanatical KZ fan I would recommend that SKUSA kill the heat races for KZ have knock out qualifying season on Saturday like F1 or take the top Ten and have a super pole three laps only one kart at a time so Rob could really get use fans going, than have KZ race twice on Super Sunday, first and last race of the day. After the KZ race on Sunday the rest of the races were kind of a anti climax.
Oh and did I say that I’m a KZ fan _________________ Todd Bridgeman
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Tom Jensen
Joined: 08 Jul 2003 Posts: 10149 Location: United States, Nevada, Reno
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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The Supernats get better every year. This is the biggest that I have ever seen spectator attendance. The racing was first class and the competition was fierce. The highlight of the race was watching Bonnier Moulton and Mike Jones go at it. I was sorry to see Jimmy McNeil out of the race early or the battle would have gotten even better. My hat's off to EKN, Tom and Patti Kutcsher, the SKUSA staff and the racers and tuners for putting on an event of this logistical magnitude. It went very smoothly with just a handful of the usual glitches that are to be expected. If you have never been, you must make plans for next year.
The tribute to Dan Wheldon was poignant, sad and extremely touching. It was event had to be seen. It's hard to imagine him not being there and to realize that this event would have been even more spectacular had Dan lived to be there. It was heatbreaking to watch grown men cry as the kart teams all stood at attention watching the parade of karts maneuver the track. Life is short and not to be taken for granted. But, the race goes on.
I usually do a photo essay but this year, I've decided to just give everyone access to my facebook pictures. Enjoy.
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150382537411087.358844.525076086&type=1&l=d839fd0f49 _________________ Sex is like pizza. When it's good it's great and when it's bad, it's still pretty good. |
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Dave Stevens
Joined: 18 Jul 2001 Posts: 2022 Location: United States, Nevada, Vegas Baby
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:45 pm Post subject: Re: Thanks |
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| Todd Bridgeman wrote: |
Only small issues that we really had was as spectators we needed to go all the way into the Casino for food so we were forced to miss racing at some point of the day, no big deal other than Sunday when we missed all the kids races and would have missed KF if they were on time. The time it took to get food at the grill, deli and BK was stupefying. |
The property wouldn't make that much to move the concessions out to the paddock to make it advantageous so they would do it but then Tom would have to commit to a minimum amount of sales to make that happen. There could be permitting issues, I don't know. Typically for the resort to do something like that they'll want to make sure that they can turn enough profit to make it worth while or have the event/meeting pick up the tab.
| Todd Bridgeman wrote: | | Also that every racer that finished the G1 race was faster than the fastest S4 car (Last place finisher in G1 16:14.411, First place in S4 17:29.271) In fact the entire G1 grid would have lapped the S4 grid, not one of the Honda’s would have even finished the race. So much for Moto’s competing with ICC; at least at a national level. |
No surprise a 45 hp or engine with optimized ignition curves and torque curves is faster than a stock generic motocross engine. What do you imagine this box of engines below would got for. That is if you could buy them at all?
IMAG0044 by Dave Stevens, on Flickr _________________ It's a cross between a chick car and a shifter kart
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Doug Johnson
Joined: 12 Nov 2007 Posts: 104 Location: United States, Minnesota, Farmington
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:08 pm Post subject: Re: Thanks |
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| Todd Bridgeman wrote: |
.......The final KZ race was outstanding and the first Tag Senior heat race was also outstanding.
On a statistical note; I find that it’s interesting that on the 25 lap races that the top ten in the KF class would have finished in front of fastest S1 racer (KF tenth at 19:45.658, S1 first at 19:48.043)
Also that every racer that finished the G1 race was faster than the fastest S4 car (Last place finisher in G1 16:14.411, First place in S4 17:29.271) In fact the entire G1 grid would have lapped the S4 grid, not one of the Honda’s would have even finished the race. So much for Moto’s competing with ICC; at least at a national level.......
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Todd, good to see you and Keith in Vegas. Another comparison is when you look at fast laps set in the final KZ2 vs. S1.
KZ2 fast lap = 44.601 vs. S1 fast lap = 45.387
A .786 difference between the top racers in the two headline classes. Interesting when you compare the HP differences in the two motors.
But you know I'm biased towards the Stock Moto  _________________ DJohnson |
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Tony Leone
Joined: 10 Apr 2005 Posts: 553 Location: United States, California, Vallejo
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks to everyone that made the trip to watch or race.
Sorry I didn't get the "Scoring Center" set up quicker. ( yes you, Mr. Fancy-Pants-KZ-Driver that threw a hissy fit at the scoring center because we didn't have practice 4 times printed, BTW, you were near the BOTTOM! )
What did everyone think of the passing out of time sheets this year?
Sam, the girl assigned to work it, was a total rookie to karting but kicked serious butt getting those sheets printed. I hope it was worth all the effort it took to keep that copier running.
Oh, and I managed NOT to eat dirt on the little knockoff Honda trail bike. I just wish I could have got it two days earlier since my feet were already blistered from walking back and forth between scoring and the assets I managed in the paddock.
And to the lady on the emergency staff that pointed and screamed at me at the top of her lungs for leaving the back gate open just enough to fit through on the knockoff Honda.... CHILL THE F OUT
Oh, and I am pretty sure there will be less stickers next year. If you forget your grid position, our FANTASTIC grid team will remind you.
And finally, remember we are all people too. The thanks I heard some of my coworkers getting from people in the pits really go a long way to cover the sting we all feel when we are screamed at and cursed at by racers (and in my case emergency staff).
And I wish a speedy recovery to all the racers who sustained injuries. _________________ www.dromophotos.com |
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Joseph Johnson
Joined: 28 Aug 2007 Posts: 226
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:56 pm Post subject: Snats |
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| Thought it was a great event. As for Todd comparing G1 to S4 lets look at this another way. There were 25 G1 drivers in qualifing there was a 3.26 second difference between 1st and 25th. Now in S4 there was a difference of 1.16 seconds difference between them. Now which race would you like to watch one seperated by 3 seconds or one where the complete field of 40 drivers are within 1.3 seconds of each other? Once again great event everyone looked to have a good time which is what matters |
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Ken Schilling
Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 1338
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Tony Leone wrote: | Thanks to everyone that made the trip to watch or race.
Sorry I didn't get the "Scoring Center" set up quicker. ( yes you, Mr. Fancy-Pants-KZ-Driver that threw a hissy fit at the scoring center because we didn't have practice 4 times printed, BTW, you were near the BOTTOM! )
What did everyone think of the passing out of time sheets this year?
Sam, the girl assigned to work it, was a total rookie to karting but kicked serious butt getting those sheets printed. I hope it was worth all the effort it took to keep that copier running.
Oh, and I managed NOT to eat dirt on the little knockoff Honda trail bike. I just wish I could have got it two days earlier since my feet were already blistered from walking back and forth between scoring and the assets I managed in the paddock.
And to the lady on the emergency staff that pointed and screamed at me at the top of her lungs for leaving the back gate open just enough to fit through on the knockoff Honda.... CHILL THE F OUT
Oh, and I am pretty sure there will be less stickers next year. If you forget your grid position, our FANTASTIC grid team will remind you.
And finally, remember we are all people too. The thanks I heard some of my coworkers getting from people in the pits really go a long way to cover the sting we all feel when we are screamed at and cursed at by racers (and in my case emergency staff).
And I wish a speedy recovery to all the racers who sustained injuries. |
Tony,
You and your T & S crew did a fantastic job!!!
Handing out the time sheets was a great idea and should be continued.
The only improvement at the scoring center that I would recommend would be to mount the timing sheet cork boards on the outside of the tent where it would be much easier for everyone to see them due to easier access. But then having people take them & lighting might be the only issues with that though... _________________ Ken Schilling
#21x / S4 / ProKart Challenge (PKC)
SKUSA Data Administrator
Good luck is where preparation and opportunity meet!!!
The opinions I express are mine alone and do not reflect those of any organization of which I am a member. |
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Timbo540 ulmen
Joined: 13 Mar 2009 Posts: 74
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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Its a personal choice what to run, support SKUSA so we have great events like Supernats
KZ, G1, S4, Tag, KF its all great racing |
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Tony Leone
Joined: 10 Apr 2005 Posts: 553 Location: United States, California, Vallejo
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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I echo that. A full field is a full field no matter what the engine. _________________ www.dromophotos.com |
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Tom Barth
Joined: 22 Oct 2001 Posts: 1379 Location: United States, Michigan, Waterford
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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I spent a little time with Jimmy during the event. He told me this "I braked at the the end of the straight and the kart twitched a little into the corner. The steering wheel was neutral so I just let the kart steer itself through the corner. Wow! what a great feeling. I wonder if that's how the 'big boys' do it?"
Jimmy you are the big boy!
Thanks for a great show. _________________ Tom Barth
http://www.greenflagkarting.com/
Power is good...more power is better... too much power is just right!
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Tom Barth
Joined: 22 Oct 2001 Posts: 1379 Location: United States, Michigan, Waterford
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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I also spent some time with the Tec Sav crew. A great family . They helped me tremendously with tuning and set up tips for the KZ engine. _________________ Tom Barth
http://www.greenflagkarting.com/
Power is good...more power is better... too much power is just right! |
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Bonnier Moulton
Joined: 18 Jul 2001 Posts: 202
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:23 pm Post subject: Re: Thanks |
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| Todd Bridgeman wrote: |
Also that every racer that finished the G1 race was faster than the fastest S4 car (Last place finisher in G1 16:14.411, First place in S4 17:29.271) In fact the entire G1 grid would have lapped the S4 grid, not one of the Honda’s would have even finished the race. So much for Moto’s competing with ICC; at least at a national level.
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Actually, the Mylaps results for S4 include an additional lap 20 of 1:46.456. Probably the victory lap. Don't know why. Actual finishing time was roughly 15:42 which would be P3 in G1.
It's not terribly hard to figure out. Fast lap in G1 = 46.049, fast lap in S4 = 46.551. About a half a second multiplied by 20 laps equals about 10 seconds. For the last place G1 finisher to lap the entire S4 field he would've had to have been on average a little over 2 seconds a lap faster. |
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