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Larry Andrews
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 Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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Give the pipe a place to go and it won't have to crack in order to get there. Best part is that the o-ring gland dimensions stay the same...you'll still get good sealing.
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Tom Barth
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Roy,
Iv'e put a 36mm on the ICC for the long track but lately the best set up is with the 30mm. Most guys (tuners) out there don't understand what makes the ICC run like it does. I.E. the ICC turning 14,000 R's is designed to use the 30mm carb. At 13,500+ the engine is getting plenty of fuel/air. Bigger is not always better. 'Just right' is best. Remember the smaller venturi makes for a more responsive throttle. You can put the biggest carb you want on the moto engine, still won't run with a well tuned ICC.
I've also changed the ignition to handle more compression...no help. Just do the things to the ICC that it likes (all within) CIK regs and it is a 'happy camper'.
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Roy Montgomery
Joined: 12 Jul 2010
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Location: United States, Texas, Humble
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| Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 8:12 pm Post subject: ICCS |
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| Tom Barth wrote: | Roy,
Iv'e put a 36mm on the ICC for the long track but lately the best set up is with the 30mm. Most guys (tuners) out there don't understand what makes the ICC run like it does. I.E. the ICC turning 14,000 R's is designed to use the 30mm carb. At 13,500+ the engine is getting plenty of fuel/air. Bigger is not always better. 'Just right' is best. Remember the smaller venturi makes for a more responsive throttle. You can put the biggest carb you want on the moto engine, still won't run with a well tuned ICC.
I've also changed the ignition to handle more compression...no help. Just do the things to the ICC that it likes (all within) CIK regs and it is a 'happy camper'. |
Thanks Tom...I agree... I have both and the ICC's are really on another level for sure. |
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Sonny Van Hook
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Steve Eady
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Larry
Yes great way to explain it, thats what we do on our personal engines and have never had a problem.
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Mike Goebel
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Location: United States, California, Winnetka
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:39 am Post subject: |
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From mfg Tech Centre welding department
I hope this is allowed other wise I have to fork out another $350. Total BS!!
Mike G. |
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Doug Hayashi
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:46 am Post subject: |
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| Mike Goebel wrote: | From mfg Tech Centre welding department
I hope this is allowed other wise I have to fork out another $350. Total BS!!
Mike G. |
Send it to RLV, they'll fix it for about 40% of the cost of a new pipe.
-Doug |
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Mike Goebel
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:09 am Post subject: |
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Yeah I had them fix 2 so far for about $125 ea time. I'm trying to find a fix that lasts  .
Mike G. |
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Sam Zavaglia
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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Mike,
Take a bore scope with you so tech can see there is nothing funny happening underneath the repair.
Should tech still not allow that then they are just a bunch of aholes. Everybody knows that the pipe can crack there and that is the only logical reason for your repair.
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Mike Goebel
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| Sam Zavaglia wrote: | Mike,
Take a bore scope with you |
Yeah but then tech guy will see the kanuter valve is under there!
Mike G. |
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Bernard Muminovic
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| Tom Barth wrote: | Jeff, you get what you pay for.
I do not buy the over priced high maintenance knock on the ICC! Comparing the ICC to the moto has to be done with a level playing field.
I hear the moto chant....that it is cheaper and runs forever. Take a look at the posts in shifter karts and tech talk. most are moto problems.
A well set up KZ will run with zero problems and out perform the moto.
Racing is going to cost money. Let's not dilute real racing with five & dime substitutes. |
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Chris Reinhardt
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:26 am Post subject: |
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| Bernard Muminovic wrote: | | Tom Barth wrote: | Jeff, you get what you pay for.
I do not buy the over priced high maintenance knock on the ICC! Comparing the ICC to the moto has to be done with a level playing field.
I hear the moto chant....that it is cheaper and runs forever. Take a look at the posts in shifter karts and tech talk. most are moto problems.
A well set up KZ will run with zero problems and out perform the moto.
Racing is going to cost money. Let's not dilute real racing with five & dime substitutes. |
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I'll take a cracked pipe over a an ICC crank rebuild every time!!!
CR
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Tom Barth
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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Chris wrote:
| Quote: | | I'll take a cracked pipe over a an ICC crank rebuild every time!!! |
Yeah I know. I don't see many KZ crank breaks, only timely rebuilds. But it is nothin' compared to the moto scrap yard I see on these posts. 
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Chris Reinhardt
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Tom Barth wrote: | Chris wrote:
| Quote: | | I'll take a cracked pipe over a an ICC crank rebuild every time!!! |
Yeah I know. I don't see many KZ crank breaks, only timely rebuilds. But it is nothin' compared to the moto scrap yard I see on these posts. |
Worst case it costs $125 to fix the occasional cracked pipe, I know the parts for a KZ crank refresh is at least twice that!!!
I'll take the occasional cracked pipe, you can keep the KZ cranks!!!
CR
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Erik Maxfield
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| Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:46 am Post subject: |
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5 years of road race.
I have not cracked a pipe. My EGT is frequently 1400+ degrees. EGT gauge port located 3.875" from the beginning of the pipe.
I have used home built mounts and the Hegar mounts.
Of course the kart is a garage queen this year though.
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