WKA Mid-Ohio

[Ardy Sadeghi]

Why do we need wka? The simple is answer is we don't, and you can write a whole book about it. The bottom line is, wka has no vision or clear direction for enduro racing. That in itself is more than enough to be a concern in any involvement with wka. This wka interest in the mid west region enduro programs is simply wka's intend to get into our pockets.

Simple facts; wka's bread and butter is the dirt track racing, roundy roundy and sprint races. As long as they are making a few extra bucks from enduro racers, why not. With the mid west offering perhaps the most sizable group of enduro racers in the country, you can bet wka wouldn't mind cashing in!

As far Dart Club hosting wka event at mid-ohio;

We always run in the rain, so with wka we now have to give up our rain racing and pay to get those national points and watch rain drops? Right!

wka does not recognize twin 250s. DKC has always been supported by a number of twin 250 karters at mid-ohio and this year those numbers have increased noticeably, so now DKC will kick these karters out who have been supporting DKC for years to let wka in? nice!

At mid-ohio we have the IKF primary insurance coverage with our pitt passes. So for wka race we would get wka's secondary pitt pass insurace coverage, which I wouldn't be surprised if it cost more too!! Great!

And above all, why would we want to pay wka to come to race with us at mid-ohio? For years and years we have had MKC and other clubs come and race with us at mid-ohio. We never had to pay them. This year a very sizable group of us from mid-west went to summit point with mkc to support wkc and run with them, even though we hardly never get any one from wkc come race with us. We never got paid for going there. So why do we have to pay wka to come race with us? Is this like the mafia, pay for your protection or else? If wka wants to race at mid-ohio or any where else in the mid-west, they are more than welcomed to come out and race with us just like anyone else. Show up, sign up, pay up and race. And if they don't like running in the rain, they can pay and get their points. Infact, pay up an extra $20 or $30 and may be we can hand out even more points!! Boy what a concepts. Now there is an idea!!

So first DKC breaks up from the Mid States series and now they want to bring wka and make us pay for it! You would think DKC is trying very hard for a popularity contest amongst the mid-west karters!!


Guys, time to wake up and smell the roses!! Mid-ohio people have been very considered and supportive to enduro racers and DKC in particular. However, this continued and unproductive philosophy by dkc bod can be a catalyst to encourage mid-ohio to consider other clubs and series for hosting enduro programs at Mid-Ohio.

[ August 21, 2001: Message edited by: Ardy Sadeghi ]

[scott berkheiser]

So the WKA is evil....everybody complains about fragmention of the different series across the country. Then when one of the series tries to address this issue nobody likes that.

True, the WKA's main focus isn't road racing but these ideas are coming from the road racing committee that is made up of promotors and racers who are trying to build a good strong series which will help the health of the sport for everyone. There only concern is road racing.

The way I see it now is we have three distinct regions. East coast = WKA, Mid-west = various clubs, West coast = IKF. Everyone is griping about not having a true national series but nobody wants to work with each other either. I think we are our own worse enemy.


Scott

[ August 21, 2001: Message edited by: Scott Berkheiser ]

[Craig Halseth]

On that last post, I sure would like to see the Mid-Ohio race be part of the DMS series again. It seems like its the same people that show up anyway, and it would be nice to have the points count as part of the same series. The mid-ohio race was a top notch event without the WKA, as have been all the DMS series races.

[Phil Clements]

Concerning what Scott said.... AMEN Brother! I've been reading post on this site for a couple of weeks now. It seems every one wants unified rules. But, no one wants to unify!

As far as some classes that have been supporting DKC for years(i.e. 250cc twin), there's this thing called "Local Option". It lets the local promoters run classes that don't normally run nationally.

Bottom line is this... You can use old problems to make excuses for anything! But, why not try looking for common ground and building from there.

[Ardy Sadeghi]

As far as complaining about wka, there is no problem with wka running out here.. just show up and run. but if they expect us to pay them, then thats a concern.

as far as local class option, the twins were supposed to run at VIR this past may as a local option class to WKC, more than a few from around here made arrangements to go to vir. however, just days before the event we got the call don't bother. wka doesn't want twins. so much for the local option!

as for mid-ohio proposed wka event, I understand part of the deal is that, we would run rain or shine. Also, we would run our classes as they are. that would be a step in the right direction. the money part is an issue under consideration.

As for unified rules, etc. worrying about should enduros have hub caps, or if the belly pan should extend from axle to rear bumper or breaking up the 125 sprint class.. these are not about uniform rules or bettering the future of enduro racing.

if wka and their committee want to unify rules, they shouldn't be looking at the mid-west enduro racers. they should be talking to IKF. after all these are the two orgs that have a claim for being the NATIONAL sanctioning body for enduro racing (in this case). they both need to get together and sort out class structures, unified rules, etc.. obviously, neither has the vision nor the interest to make the effort.

and the very bottom lines is, if anyone wishes to support wka, you don't hear us in the mid-west complaining about it!! you are free to do so. if we can't race at vir because its a wka event, thats fine too, we run out here. no complaining. but if 'wka' expects us to bend over backwards and pay for it too so they can run up here!!

p.s. as far DKC breakingup the mid-states series, let me make a correction, that was a problem relating to both mkc and dkc. on the positive side, there is a concentrated effort and enthusiasm to get the clubs working together again.

[ August 21, 2001: Message edited by: Ardy Sadeghi ]

[Marc Miller]

The problem that I have seen is not with people wanting unification, it is the fact that they would like a standards of rules that everyone agrees on while not having to pay more or over-run by an outside group.

In the midwest, the road racers have found a pretty good happy medium and I think many are concerned that WKA wants to roll in and take over, not accepting the rules that they are used to, but setting the rules that they want. Since these road racing committees may feel they wouldn't get a fair shake and controlling the rules, they may not want to sign over to WKA.

The best bet that the midwest has to protecting the 10 plus years of having the most road racers without the help of a major sanctioning body is to work closer together, among clubs and organizations... not to create a single large regional race series...but a standardized ruling and schedule. It isn't necessary for all the midwest clubs to have one united racing series.... but it would be a step in the right direction to share rules and have a schedule that doesn't conflict too much.

MM

[Scott Davis]

Is anyone coming to Mid-Ohio in October for the club race?

[Craig Halseth]

myself and 3 others are, I know that much

[Phil Clements]

Scott D.

Robby Harper and a few folks from down this way are planning on coming up. I would, but have a prior commitment. As I said before, I've only run there a couple of times. But had a blast both!

[Scott Davis]

Phil, sorry to hear that you can't make it up to Mid-Ohio. I think Mid-Ohio is one of the greatest racing facilities around here.

[Charlie Tackett]

Don't think we have missed a Mid-Ohio race in the last 6 or 7yrs! You can count on us being there!

[Scott Davis]

SKUSA will be at Mid-Ohio event in October as well as the Putnam race this weekend.