2 Stroke body work illegal in WKA clone?

Jody Fleming · Joined: 30 Sep 2010 Posts: 13

Hi, I'm new to the sport of karting [switching over from drifting and autocross], and I just bought a pair of karts so we can enjoy the track as a family. My oldest son [7] is in a kid-kart, and I bought a clone for myself.

Mine is a older Coyote chassis w/ the full length body on it; but it needs repairs. I hate the color anyway and I like the simplicity of the 2 stroke pods over the full body, but, I need to know if it is legal to run first.

I understand that it will not fit w/o modification, and I am prepared to attack that issue.. Smile

Thanks.

BTW... are there any links or downloads of the WKA rules w/o the $25 price tag? I've never had to pay to check out series rules b4...
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Jody Fleming · Joined: 30 Sep 2010 Posts: 13

http://www.ovka.com/2010/WKA_2010_GoldCUP.pdf

"NO CIK NOSE CONES ALLOWED."

Disappointing... Confused

I ran my kart w/o the body work today and it seemed to have WAY less drag.

Rolling Eyes

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Todd Kovi · Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 9:28 am Post subject:

Jody in FKCS at a couple races we had a couple drivers running sprint BW against the g-man style karts. With the laydown seat and the full body you could see the full body karts had a lot less frontal area that would create drag. Especially at the tracks with a long straight-away like 103rd street the lower wind resistance seemed to help a lot. CIK body work guys were in the back.

Its always possible your local track or series will allow any body work for the class so best to check with them.

WKA rule book...never seen free and it is copyrighted so careful about reproducing! You can buy the rule book from Comet Kart Sales and several other on-line stores for around $20.

Jody Fleming · Joined: 30 Sep 2010 Posts: 13

Well, that settles it then! Smile

If the Gman style body is faster, then I'll fix what I have and run that...

Especially since 103rd St is my local track; I would hate to put myself at a disadvantage aerodynamically...

I've heard about you Todd, I look forward to meeting you soon. Very Happy

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Michael Milanovich · Joined: 19 Mar 2010 Posts: 156

according to the gold cup rules for last year gold cup or cik body work is allowed for the clone class.

Robert Hutcherson · Joined: 03 Jul 2002 Posts: 168

Has anyone run compared for lap times of both the gold cup bodywork versus the cik bodywork on the same track with the clone engine setup?

Did you find a significant difference?

Todd,

I would guess at Florida Tracks (Jax,Monticello,Homestead,Ocala) that the draft will be a significant part.

Thanks

Michael Milanovich · Joined: 19 Mar 2010 Posts: 156

When we ran Beaverun this year, we were a top 3 kart with cik bodywork. we had the older "breadbox style bodywork" so it wasnt as aerodynamic as some of the new bodywork such as what the arrow's and birel's have. the two other karts who were always fast had the gold cup style body work. the kart that had the body similar to what oval karts run, we always were back and fourth and i was able to draft well with him. the other kart had the steel side pods, and gold cup nose cone. that kart was faster but grantite I was new to karting and as I got more skill and learned more on how to setup a kart, we closed that gap more and more every race. i think that more should be concerned in regards to chassis setup than for say body work. now if in a perfect world every kart was a 100% the same and the only difference was body work, the gold cup style in theory would allow for less drag and less resistance than a kart with cik style bodywork. i would be more concerned with chassis setup more than anything as well as seat time. the more you race your kart the more you will know what to expect with it and how it will do. we are getting ready to get a newer kart and we are looking at a birel with the freeline bodywork. o and also the kart we were running was a 95 gold kart, so we had to really develop a setup that worked well for us as well as myself fine tuning my driving skills.

Robert Hutcherson · Joined: 03 Jul 2002 Posts: 168

Michael,

Thanks for the great info. My thought is whether or not I need to setup for class with gold cup style chassis or stay with the cik setup. We have two pretty good Margay karts that we may use. I thought I might trade for a gold cup setup as one possibility. Best of luck to you next season.

Robert

Michael Milanovich · Joined: 19 Mar 2010 Posts: 156

jim rogero · Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 5:34 pm Post subject:

Todd Kovi · Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:14 pm Post subject:

Jim, you're giving away all the secrets again!

Robert, talk to Ron Towles at 103rd Street....he can give you some sound advice on the body work. Every track will be different, but I'd say the body work WITH the laydown seat will make a difference....watch the junior drivers in the 2-cycle sprint classes and you'll see what I mean...especially on the straights.

Todd

Jody Fleming · Joined: 30 Sep 2010 Posts: 13

If the Gman is that much better, then why doesn't the rest of the kart world use them?

Isn't the newer 2stroke kits wind tunnel tested?

No disrespect intended, just asking...

Smile

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Steve Kilsdonk · Joined: 09 May 2002 Posts: 137

The g-man style bodywork has the unenviable combination of not being as energy absorbing and with its considerable presence, tends to give drivers more confidence to make contact. If you look at a street race where either body style is allowed, the 2-cycle drivers will bolt on a 4-cycle nose over their breadbox bodywork to improve their aerodynamics, so it's common knowledge that it is the more efficient package. The 2-strokes tend to mandate CIK-homologated bodywork, which must conform to strict limits on dimensions and crash-worthiness, which is the reason they haven't developed in the direction of the g-man style nose cones.

Jacksonville is 50% speed down the backstretch 30% drafting savvy, and 20% handling. If you there is something that will add MPH in a straight line, this is the place to take advantage of it. Chassis is a distant consideration for that course.

Jody Fleming · Joined: 30 Sep 2010 Posts: 13

Jeffory Mott · Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 1:16 am Post subject:

Jody. Check out www.southernkartclub.com and contact Dominic Greco or Tom Cole. We have a large contigent of clone racers that run our road racing series at Roebling Road in Savannah GA. Clones will be running during the WKA National in February with us as well.