RotaxMax DD2 with RM 1 Chassis

erik nystuen · Joined: 06 Mar 2002 Posts: 319

Bill,
With that schedule.
Lots of Practice, Race 3 heats (each class) and still go home before 5pm.
Sounds great, but with one exception.

This is America, and we tend to like to do things our own way. So having all the motors sealed and only one way to have them serviced (one vendor) I don't think that Rotax only racing will realy take off. (sorry don't mean to put cold watter on a great thought)

But then again, if the Club wishes it so, then let it be. 5 classes, 25 carts in each.
Hey that's a full ticket.
With those kind of numbers, maybe they could support more than one vendor.

Chuck Skowron · Joined: 19 Jul 2001 Posts: 1156

quote:
Originally posted by Brian Kay:
Hey call me crazy. I just DONT think throwing another engine configuration into the fray is going to help anyone......

.....Yes, it's high tech it's reeeally cool (nice promo btw!) but dont you think it will dillute things a bit? If you disagree, please explain. I'm not trying to "stir the pot" it just seems like a reasonable concern to me.

Each package will appeal to a different group, BUT DD2's will find their way to the races. What then, will we create a DD2 class? It will take a TON a weight to offset the 2 speed advantage, so will they ever race together?

Oh, more more thought (I'm good for about 4 a day) I realize that in RMC land one more class is not a big deal - BUT in the real world, Rotax Max is a tag along / add on class. (skusa/ces/msss/dkc/ikf?etc) What do we do with the racers who's dealer steered them towards a DD2 - create another class with 1 or 2 karts? ....

.....STABILITY...CONSISTENCY...GROWTH...Say it with me now.

[ August 19, 2002: Message edited by: Brian Kay ]

Brian, I agree with you totally. As nice as the package is, I can't see it doing any more than fragmenting one of the most successful ideas to come to karting recently.

The DD2 is obviously going for the same market as the original MAX, the racer who wants to spend little maint. time. So I can not see how it would NOT interfere with the current Rotax population.

It would make more sense if the popularity of the RMax was fading, and Rotax needed something fresh to generate interest. But the RMax is doing great, so why mess with a good thing?

Not trying to stir the pot here either, just a little concerned that Rotax might hurt themselves by their own doing.

Jaye Bass · Joined: 20 Sep 2001 Posts: 214

quote:
Originally posted by erik nystuen:
Bill,
With that schedule.
Lots of Practice, Race 3 heats (each class) and still go home before 5pm.
Sounds great, but with one exception.

This is America, and we tend to like to do things our own way. So having all the motors sealed and only one way to have them serviced (one vendor) I don't think that Rotax only racing will realy take off. (sorry don't mean to put cold watter on a great thought)

But then again, if the Club wishes it so, then let it be. 5 classes, 25 carts in each.
Hey that's a full ticket.
With those kind of numbers, maybe they could support more than one vendor.

Personally, I think there is alot of potential for karting to grow by tapping into a class of driver who wants to concentrate on racing with the only "wrenching" being set-up/chassis tuning and maintanence. I happen to be one of those drivers...last year at about this time karting had one more new member. I would wager a substantial fraction of the Max sales are new karters. Frankly, I would not gotten into the sport had I had to deal with the complexity of a shifter or the general pain that KT100's seem to be.

Nick Weil · Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2002 5:46 pm Post subject: RotaxMax DD2 with RM 1 Chassis

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Quote:

The DD2 is obviously going for the same market as the original MAX, the racer who wants to spend little maint. time. So I can not see how it would NOT interfere with the current Rotax population.

As much as all of us that frequent these forums and the local race tracks on a regular week in/week out basis would like to think that WE are in fact the targeted people that ROTAX was after, we are not. For instance, how can you explain the # of motors that have been sold in the Florida Region (over 250 I think, Bill you got figures?), but yet there are only 15 - 30 at any given track on the weekends? These people are buying them to PLAY with, not to RACE. Don't get me wrong, we all love racing them I think. But that is not who Bombardier really was after. I think someone in Colorado mentioned the same thing not too long ago. If they are selling as fast as they appear to be, where are they at? Anyway, how many of you that are griping will pony up an extra $2000 to $3000 to be able to shift your Rotax?

Nick

[ August 22, 2002: Message edited by: Nick Weil ]

Bill Wright · Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2002 5:43 am Post subject: RotaxMax DD2 with RM 1 Chassis

quote:
Originally posted by erik nystuen:
Bill,
With that schedule.
Lots of Practice, Race 3 heats (each class) and still go home before 5pm.
Sounds great, but with one exception.

This is America, and we tend to like to do things our own way. So having all the motors sealed and only one way to have them serviced (one vendor) I don't think that Rotax only racing will realy take off. (sorry don't mean to put cold watter on a great thought)

But then again, if the Club wishes it so, then let it be. 5 classes, 25 carts in each.
Hey that's a full ticket.
With those kind of numbers, maybe they could support more than one vendor.

Eric,

You refer to "one vendor", but that statement is a little confusing.

In most Regions there is currently one Service Center, although as the program grows that will change, and SSC will bring on additional Service Centers in the larger Regions. If you don't particularly care for your Regions Service Center you can send your engine to SSC for work. So you do have a choice on service work.

A vendor is someoned who sells product. In the FL Region I have 11 "vendors" selling this product. At the last Ocala race there were 5 "vendors" there supporting their customers. So to say there is only "one vendor" is not exactly factual.

This program is open to any legitimate ( and not so legitimate?

) karting retailer who can purchase the minimums and work within the established marketing / rules package. It is not exclusive.

The reasons for a limited number of Service Centers should be obvious. Someone has to be accountable. In other words, everyone has to know who to call to complain!

Bill Wright
"Get on Course!" with FK www.formulakart.com

Bill Wright · Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2002 5:43 am Post subject: RotaxMax DD2 with RM 1 Chassis

quote:
Originally posted by erik nystuen:
Bill,
With that schedule.
Lots of Practice, Race 3 heats (each class) and still go home before 5pm.
Sounds great, but with one exception.

This is America, and we tend to like to do things our own way. So having all the motors sealed and only one way to have them serviced (one vendor) I don't think that Rotax only racing will realy take off. (sorry don't mean to put cold watter on a great thought)

But then again, if the Club wishes it so, then let it be. 5 classes, 25 carts in each.
Hey that's a full ticket.
With those kind of numbers, maybe they could support more than one vendor.

Eric,

You refer to "one vendor", but that statement is a little confusing.

In most Regions there is currently one Service Center, although as the program grows that will change, and SSC will bring on additional Service Centers in the larger Regions. If you don't particularly care for your Regions Service Center you can send your engine to SSC for work. So you do have a choice on service work.

A vendor is someoned who sells product. In the FL Region I have 11 "vendors" selling this product. At the last Ocala race there were 5 "vendors" there supporting their customers. So to say there is only "one vendor" is not exactly factual.

This program is open to any legitimate ( and not so legitimate?

) karting retailer who can purchase the minimums and work within the established marketing / rules package. It is not exclusive.

The reasons for a limited number of Service Centers should be obvious. Someone has to be accountable. In other words, everyone has to know who to call to complain!

Bill Wright
"Get on Course!" with FK www.formulakart.com

[ August 24, 2002: Message edited by: Bill Wright ]

Karlo Maalouf · Joined: 01 Sep 2002 Posts: 12

I am Just getting into Karting and bought a Mitox RMax. When I read the Rotax people are comming out with a different "better" version of the RMax I was somewhat confused and bewillered. It seems Rmax has a good thing going. It is what brought me into the fold of Kart Racing. I hope it goes the way of Beta tape. We already have standard.