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Brian Wilhelm
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No such thing!
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bonjella martin
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thats a shame. i thought there would be somthing to help
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Dave Holstein
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I have never seen a manual for any ICC engine, only the homologation sheet. It seems to me that the thinking is if your going to play with an ICC, you are expected to know exactly what your doing, not a good engine for someones first kart, you should start looking for a good deal on a CR125 or the like, the ICC will require a really high rebuild frequency that if ignored will cost more or as much as a CR125 to rebuild, last sunday a guy had his TM K9 let go trying to chase me in my 80, makes me spooked to take my K9 out now  |
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bonjella martin
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i like this kart, i dont plan on changing it even tho its high maitainence. i was told its only the piston i have to worry about and i got a spare re-coated barrel with it, what kart is ur 80 cc?
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Bill Martin
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| Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:48 am Post subject: |
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| bonjella martin wrote: | | i like this kart, i dont plan on changing it even tho its high maitainence. i was told its only the piston i have to worry about and i got a spare re-coated barrel with it, what kart is ur 80 cc? |
not so fast there...you need to keep a close watch on the crank bearings & big end rod bearing as well as the piston. Same for any high rpm engine.
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Brian Degulis
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| Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:06 pm Post subject: Re: ? |
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| Brian Wilhelm wrote: | | No such thing! |
Yes I found that out. And shame on Pavesi and all the other Icc manufactures that sell very little engines for very big bucks and don't bother to print a service maual you would be able to buy with a $125 chain saw.
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Jim McMahon
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| Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:20 am Post subject: |
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I guess it would be nice to have but a lot of the specs like reccomended squish, ignition advance etc it usually on teh websites. I think its silly to expect a manual with a peformance oriented engine because volume-driven consumer-oriented chansaw (manual is probably broken english anyway!) comes with one, but I digress.
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Brian Degulis
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Well how about performance and dirt Bikes no problem getting manuals for them. How about Rotax.
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Jim McMahon
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The bikes are, well full bikes, not just motors. All are Mass produced and consumer oriented.
Rotax, performance?!? Come on now! Their 100cc stuff was performance oriented, no manuals for that. Again Max is a consumer oriented product. The KZ stuff isnt.
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Brian Degulis
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| Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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Ok so if it's a full bike or a non performance motor a manual is expected but if it's a 6K performance motor it's not. What if it's a full moon on a leap year would that matter. No logic. Especially today when you don't need to actually print a manual you can create it and offer a download.
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Sam Zavaglia
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| Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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The reality is the ICC/KZ2 engines are designed/used in top level competition where drivers have engine tuners who don't need manuals. All they need is part numbers for ordering.
I don't think the Euros have the mind or the time for the hobbyist in a completely different part of the world who wants to learn how to rebuild their engine 5 years down the track.
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Brian Degulis
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If ICC motors were only used in top competition and maintained by pros they would go out of bussiness. If I ever met a tuner/builder who would prefer NOT to have a service manual I'd find another tuner/builder.
And who wonders why Honda's engines adapted to karting not built for it are so popular. This is just one of the many reasons.
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bonjella martin
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im with u on this brian, can anyone suggest the tech websites with the info?
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