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Tim Koyen
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| Brian Degulis wrote: | The hooks were tricky..... My biggest dilema was getting them just right so that it hooks the kart on the ground, as well as in the bed of a truck.
You would have had to modify a Streeter to do that... |
You'd have to modify a KartLift to do that as well if you have the plastic bumper. Our stuff for the steel bumpers will work either way.
This brings up a good point though. When a guy like me designs a kart stand for manufacture, I have to design it to appeal to a larger crowd, and sometimes concessions need to be made in the design for the sake of manufacturing and safety. I have plenty of customers who bought my stands and customized them to suit their application, or their truck, or kart, or house, or whatever; more closely. Nothing wrong with that! Just like nothing wrong with doing your own thing if you situation is that you've got more time than cash, which plenty of us do. I just ordered a new trailer. I ordered it without a spare tire bracket that was available as an option. Clearly I could build one I like better for the $200 that one would've cost me.  The most like scenario for me is that I'll be too busy to make the dumb thing and I'll end up carrying the spare in the back of my truck for 10 years like the last trailer I had..lol.
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Brian Degulis
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| Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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That's one of the 2 complaints I have with the Streeter. I have removable cross pieces in the trailer to hold one kart over the other. I have to lift the streeter a little to get the hooks into or out of the plastic bumpers (no problem with tube bumpers) The other is the flat bar hooks bend I had to reinforce them.
Those 2 small things aside it's a good product. Saves my back so I can hurt it on the track.
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Justin Martin
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| Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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Brian and Tim, thanks for the support guys!
Tim, I do feel for you as I know you can't make much off stands, however there are those who can't afford them!
I was originally going with a "scissor lift" design, like a scissor lift platform. However this proved to be simpler.
If I had the money I would have bought a manufactured stand, shoot if I had money I would buy all sorts of things! I would surely never do yard work again....
However, to help afford hobbies, I have to cut expenses on yard work, In order to afford racing I sometimes have to do DIY projects.
As you mentioned it is VERY easy to to put off a project for a long time. Infact, This project should have been done the weekend I started this thread! However life is life, and I had to live without a nice stand for a couple months.
If you dont mind disclosing, Where did you get your straps for the badland winches? Do you replace them yourself? I have yet to fully extend the cable, so I haven't seen how it attaches exactly. I am still going to keep the cable, however I have thought about switching to a coated cable to help reduce the risk of kinking, or fraying. |
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joseph hollinger
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| Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Justin Martin wrote: |
Do you change your own oil rather than pay for someone else to do it?
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I typically change my own oil. But only because I don't trust the people that change oil. I've worked in automotive service and I know what goes on.
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Do you now your lawn to save money from paying for yard workers? This all falls under the dame category. |
I do not. And in fact there is no way I could mow a lawn and save money. Same thing for most people--you've got to compare the amount of money you "save" by mowing the lawn to what you could have made if you spent that amount of time doing something you actually get paid for. That's your cost. If you want to value your free time at zero, that's your option, but for most people free time has a cost, even if you refuse to account for it.
My basic point Justin, isn't that you haven't made a nice stand or that you shouldn't be proud of what you've done. At the same time, acting like you did the whole thing for $300 and comparing that to the cost of a commercial stand just isn't fair--those stands would be a just about the same price if they were also built with free labor. What you are saying makes those guys look bad even though they are making good products at fairly thin margins.
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Brian Degulis
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Tim Koyen
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Justin- I have the straps custom made in large qty. Getting the cable off takes about 15 seconds...removing one screw.
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Justin Martin
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| Well I saw the pinch style scre that th cable goes through, but how do you secure your strap? |
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paul rees
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| Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 12:27 pm Post subject: Lift |
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| Hi Justin I like your idea for the receiver hitch for hauling. I have a Dodge Maxi Van . kart in back, lift in through the side doors. I use two 6" wide alum ramps to load it in van. |
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mike clements
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In the early 80's I was working a full time job with General Motors Engineering staff. On weekends I raced at our local sprint track. Non racing Saturdays found me in my shop building kart stands for our local kart shop to sell. These were the basic "X" manual design. I would build 5 of them each Saturday, paint them black and deliver them to the kart shop. Materials cost me $8 each and I got $25 each for them. They sold them for $35 each and everybody was happy. I still have a couple of them today.
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Rick Renaud
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| Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 10:59 pm Post subject: kart stand |
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What about the powder coating? Of course you have to box it up to ship. did you buy the welder, grinder, welding helmet, wire, gas and gas bottle. What about consumable materials? need a marketing plan, billing and advertising etc. add that all up and you can see that kartlift has a fair price.
The list goes on and on.. |
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Justin Martin
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| As mentioned, I have gone back on what I originally said. Yes for a production stand kart lift does a great job. However for a DIY project it can be very cheap. Under 300 if you have a grinder and welder. It doesn't take a 220, a 110 would be just fine for this size tube. Also in the long run argon is cheaper than flux core, as well as better and cleaner all together. No need for anything fancy. |
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Justin Martin
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Also keep in mind I used more expensive tubing and materials. I also added key features to suit my needs, ie; adjustable height, trailer hitch mount etc....
If you have the means, build one. If not then buy a kart lift or streeter and you will be happy. |
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Tyson Henry
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| Justin Martin wrote: | Also keep in mind I used more expensive tubing and materials. I also added key features to suit my needs, ie; adjustable height, trailer hitch mount etc....
If you have the means, build one. If not then buy a kart lift or streeter and you will be happy. |
Honestly, I can't figure out what everyone is arguing over. Your last two sentences sum this all up. That is pretty much how most people treat all things in life. If I can do my own taxes, I do. If not, hire someone. If I have the ability to remodel my own bathroom, I will. If not, hire someone. The list can go on forever.
Every service and product is not meant for all people. Some need it, others don't. |
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paul rees
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| Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:15 am Post subject: Zactly |
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| Tyson Henry wrote: | | Justin Martin wrote: | Also keep in mind I used more expensive tubing and materials. I also added key features to suit my needs, ie; adjustable height, trailer hitch mount etc....
If you have the means, build one. If not then buy a kart lift or streeter and you will be happy. |
Honestly, I can't figure out what everyone is arguing over. Your last two sentences sum this all up. That is pretty much how most people treat all things in life. If I can do my own taxes, I do. If not, hire someone. If I have the ability to remodel my own bathroom, I will. If not, hire someone. The list can go on forever.
Every service and product is not meant for all people. Some need it, others don't. |
It's just some of the poster are advertisers on this web page. I don't think Justin is on here to walk off any ones customers. Justin has the Fab Skills and knows what he wants to build for his needs. Justin uses this lift for loading his Kart. I use mine for both, loading it in too the Van also in the pits and on the grid. Some people still have ability << healthy backs LoL . Too lift carry the machines around. Build it Buy it what ever, It was fun to see what some one can do. |
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paul rees
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| Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:28 am Post subject: Re: kart stand |
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| Rick Renaud wrote: | What about the powder coating? Of course you have to box it up to ship. did you buy the welder, grinder, welding helmet, wire, gas and gas bottle. What about consumable materials? need a marketing plan, billing and advertising etc. add that all up and you can see that kartlift has a fair price.
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The shocking part KARTING IS A HOBBY for most people. Buying shop equipment is like. Building a HotRod, you buy the stuff because you want it and cost of it is what ever you want to spend. Selling a HotRod your lucky to 25cents on the dollar. I have all the above in three's and much more. If you wanted make money, It would be shop hours and materials, customer pays for both. |
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