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SKUSA! Pulls all events out of Phoenix.. What happened?
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Chris Fosso



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Here is the local PKRA thread where this is also being discussed. I have, once again been banned by the moderator, Randy Lyon, of the forum for speaking my peace, after taking some public (and personal) insults from him.

http://pkra.com/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=4146&start=1

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stewart... i added a few cents over there too Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris Fosso wrote:
i just throw my hands up...

if (and its a big if) its all about tires....and who is making the money on them,fine.

if PKRA wanted to be "different" then all the other SKUSA venues...(since their seems to be no issues like this at all of the other venues i have raced at with SKUSA for last few years)

and does not want someone else making money on the tires..fine.....just add a few bucks on (somewhere) to cover the greed factor.....jeez.

how much could it be per person>?.. id pay....just so i could race at home with my SOCal buddies... instead of calling off the whole thing.. and driving back to cal ...(and i will)


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to me its retarded...

i always hated dumb ass politics at PKRA.. and now even more so...

i have not raced a club event at home for a while....and i actually was thinking about it again ...to race with some of my local buddies..

especially because i just got a text a few nights before all this stuff saying we were going to be allowed to run MG whites on a few weekends before prokart events in phoenix.. so much for that

PKRA can keep their freaking yellows... and <biting tongue>

ill stick with prokart....... they have done what they have said..and met and exceeded all my expectations...with venues,track time,scheduling,number of racers at events, and more...

worth the drive to cal for no freaking BS, and more fun
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol, i have absolutly no interest in this,(we dont race SKUSA yet), just an opinion looking in from the outside. i read the thread on the other forum and alls i can say is WOW!! those defending that BOD have rolled theyre karts one to many times, obviously theyre part of the discision process.anyone who would do business with someone who goes behind your back deserves what they get. or dont get,as is the case.and to not understand the financial distress of the racers who had theyre plans turned upsidedown, is just plain arrogance.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="bob prinzo"]lol, i have absolutly no interest in this,(we dont race SKUSA yet), just an opinion looking in from the outside. i read the thread on the other forum and alls i can say is WOW!! those defending that BOD have rolled theyre karts one to many times, obviously theyre part of the discision process.anyone who would do business with someone who goes behind your back deserves what they get. or dont get,as is the case.and to not understand the financial distress of the racers who had theyre plans turned upsidedown, is just plain arrogance.[/quote]

From what I've read, its not the board of directors, its the club president Brian Casebolt that made the deal without consulting with the board first. If I understand what has been written correctly, the members feel that this Casebolt character did the deal to get a personal kickback from the tire company.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it comes down to the fact that Phoenix is spelled so dumb!


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike Goebel wrote:
I think it comes down to the fact that Phoenix is spelled so dumb!


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And Winnetka isn't? Confused
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benn Herr wrote:
Mike Goebel wrote:
I think it comes down to the fact that Phoenix is spelled so dumb!


Mike G.


And Winnetka isn't? Confused


When you have a cool helmet like Mike's, it elevates the coolness of wherever you live, regardless of spelling.

*SIGH* I wonder when karting will stop feeding on itself. Tire co.'s should just offer contingencies like other racing types and let people run whatever they want, IMO. Or make it spec with sourcing from anywhere. If you're going to get all serious about tires, then get the tires from the corporate trailer at the track, who will also offer parc ferme services, and put 'em on at the grid. Otherwise, why bother? Paint seals, preps, duros, all impossible to police without a parc ferme... It's just karting, folks. lol
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris Fosso wrote:
Chris Fosso wrote:
i am amazed ..at some peoples opinion

i doubt its tom...... he has been doing the same thing at all the venues (skusa has been racing at) for the few years i have been racing with them..IE same tires..same prices ..same ..same same..

now all if a sudden PKRA wants to change it up >? what do they think they are special>? why would it be any different then it was>? now that SKUSA wanted to come to phoenix.. just because we(should say PKRA ,,because i dont go there much either) have a race here they think they can make all the rules..>?

the board at our venue seems to have their own agenda and could careless about the greater good.

all this drama on tires.... crazy

the tires are exactly the same.... just stamped different.

...finally get a good race to come to phoenix...and drama F##^%ed it up. so much for phoenix on the schedule.

chris


PKRA didnt changed anything up. That's what everybody is all up in arms about. The MG tire contract was renewed. Hence the word RENEWED. as in the same thing.

Tire drama = I agree. Ever try to run a yellow at a SKUSA event? For practice even.

PKRA doesnt care what tires you practice on, even on club race days. But once qualifying starts yes you must be on club spec tire

Exceptions were already made to allow the whites to be ran at club races leading up to the SKUSA races.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

veerachart murphy wrote:
Chris Fosso wrote:
Chris Fosso wrote:
i am amazed ..at some peoples opinion

i doubt its tom...... he has been doing the same thing at all the venues (skusa has been racing at) for the few years i have been racing with them..IE same tires..same prices ..same ..same same..

now all if a sudden PKRA wants to change it up >? what do they think they are special>? why would it be any different then it was>? now that SKUSA wanted to come to phoenix.. just because we(should say PKRA ,,because i dont go there much either) have a race here they think they can make all the rules..>?

the board at our venue seems to have their own agenda and could careless about the greater good.

all this drama on tires.... crazy

the tires are exactly the same.... just stamped different.

...finally get a good race to come to phoenix...and drama F##^%ed it up. so much for phoenix on the schedule.

chris


PKRA didnt changed anything up. That's what everybody is all up in arms about. The MG tire contract was renewed. Hence the word RENEWED. as in the same thing.

Tire drama = I agree. Ever try to run a yellow at a SKUSA event? For practice even.

PKRA doesnt care what tires you practice on, even on club race days. But once qualifying starts yes you must be on club spec tire

Exceptions were already made to allow the whites to be ran at club races leading up to the SKUSA races.

It is all about the Board not keeping their word, nor keeping the promises of the Board before them. The membership was promised that when the tire contract was up, you would consider other options. You know that this tire contract and your Kart shop , AZ Kartwerx controlling the distribution ( and how that contract was previously granted) of it has been a HUGE area of tension for the last 4-5 years.

You know for a fact that the damage done by the president of the club and your After-the-fact vote has damaged our club. You violated the fiduciary duties that were placed on you. When I disclosed the facts of what happened, I was banned from the forums, so I brought it here.

Murphy, dont defend the indefensible, it is beneath you.

Just accept the fact that your Board caused a big portion of its membership some serious damage. Cliff warned you guys that if you did not uphold your promise to at least consider the bid of other tire importers, specifically SKUSA, Tom would pull the race. Why would he help our club with two HUGE races back to back when their representatives don't keep their word.

Ryan Ruth said it best about this decision,
"Are you kidding . Not only has this decision cost our club money but has cost many of our members thousands of dollars in travel,hotels, and testing fees that would have been spent here at home. Not to mention time with thier families and a "home track" advantage to be able to win or place well at a national event.. I am very dissapointed. Our club has to be the laughing stock of the west.

How would it have hurt our club to align itself with the largest kart race promoter on the west coast. Tom has been doing amazing things for or sport for the last five years. This yellow tire deal has kept our once healthy shifter class in the basement for two years. Very small thinking.."
--Ryan Ruth, Ruthless Motorsports
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is all about the Board not keeping their word, nor keeping the promises of the Board before them. The membership was promised that when the tire contract was up, you would consider other options. You know that this tire contract and your Kart shop , AZ Kartwerx controlling the distribution ( and how that contract was previously granted) of it has been a HUGE area of tension for the last 4-5 years.

- first lets be clear about this. AZ Kart Werx is not my kart shop. Do we get our karting supplies there, yes. and a big PERIOD

You know for a fact that the damage done by the president of the club and your After-the-fact vote has damaged our club. You violated the fiduciary duties that were placed on you. When I disclosed the facts of what happened, I was banned from the forums, so I brought it here.

-Stewart,Some of your information is just flat wrong, some is incomplete. Everything will be brought to light on Monday

Murphy, dont defend the indefensible, it is beneath you.

-No defense required, just the truth....And the truth shall set you free, can't wait until Monday

Just accept the fact that your Board caused a big portion of its membership some serious damage. Cliff warned you guys that if you did not uphold your promise to at least consider the bid of other tire importers, specifically SKUSA, Tom would pull the race. Why would he help our club with two HUGE races back to back when their representatives don't keep their word.

Ryan Ruth said it best about this decision,
"Are you kidding . Not only has this decision cost our club money but has cost many of our members thousands of dollars in travel,hotels, and testing fees that would have been spent here at home. Not to mention time with thier families and a "home track" advantage to be able to win or place well at a national event.. I am very dissapointed. Our club has to be the laughing stock of the west.

How would it have hurt our club to align itself with the largest kart race promoter on the west coast. Tom has been doing amazing things for or sport for the last five years. This yellow tire deal has kept our once healthy shifter class in the basement for two years. Very small thinking.."
--Ryan Ruth, Ruthless Motorsports[/quote]

-Dont disagree that Tom is an absolute genius when it comes to putting on race events. And we very much so welcomed the races. The color of a tire should have no effect of a club class. We just bought our first shifter and will be out there soon racing it. Not because of the color of the tire, but just because we want to race.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did a quick study on MG tires and here is what I found.

MG Whites are exactly the same as MG Yellows. Mr Kutcher sells the Whites for $185 for the 1st set and $212 for each additional set if you are racing in a SKUSA event. Mr Kutcher will not sell any tires unless you are entered, and instead advised me to support my local kart shop.

I called several Phoenix area kart shops and was quoted from $220 to $235 (plus tax) for MG Yellows. I told them that I would not be using them at PKRA, but they would not lower their price.

I bought 2 cases of MG Yellows off of the internet and paid $185 per set (tax free) delivered to my door. Draw your own conclusions.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And just like purchasing coffee at dunkin donuts you can still enjoy your coffee sitting at Starbucks. At PKRA you are welcome to purchase your yellows anywhere you like and race at PKRA. No body said they had to buy PKRA yellows. Because there is no such thing. We just require yellows ran because of our contract with MG.

No different than Tom requiring whites at his events


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stewart Willis wrote:
I am bitter that this deal was done.. No doubt I am pissed.
Who benefits from this deal? One person. That is it. It hurts the membership immensely. It will cost at least ten of its members Thousands of additional dollars.

It makes no sense. Justify it... Your board has a fiduciary duty to ME. That duty was breached. When I screamed out about this, I was banned by your forums admin. So, I brought it here.

Like PJ Jones said, we want both deals laid on the table Monday night and explained.. I am out of town. So, we need this meeting broadcasted for everyone to hear.


Why should the club or anyone else give a crap what it costs others to race? Please explain to me how that's their responsibility. You keep going on and on about these duties the club has and how they wronged you and so many others. Lay that out for us, specifically, and stop using generalizations.

The club's duty is to stay open and offer its services (practice time and RACES) to those who choose to take part. This is a free market society Stewart. Just because it didn't benefit you or what you're interested in doesn't mean it hurts EVERYONE. Spare me the routine. The fact is these big events look good from the outside, but are extremely taxing for the facilities to hold. Think about the logistics of handling an event twice the size of your normal club events. Extra costs up the wazoo that the racers don't ever see or hear about because the BOARD, who everyone seems to think is an easy punching bag, is doing their best to work for the karters. Believing that two SKUSA races is this gigantic boon for the PKRA economy is naive. You know what's a boon for PKRA? ACTUALLY RACING AT THE CLUB. If you're so keen to toss PKRA under the bus, why bother at all with it? Why pay the premium membership fee you only use to practice with?

Those who want to race will race, regardless of the circumstances, and those who want to get on the internet and complain instead of racing will complain. You have "facts" you're spewing about how this whole deal went down, yet won't produce those facts in ANY detail.

Last thing, before I go: if you or anyone else believes you know what it takes to run a club or sit on its Board of Directors, run for election next time it's up. Sit where they sit, make the decisions they make. It's a thankless job nearly all of the time. It's pretty easy to sit in your glass house. But I'd quit throwing stones.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benn Herr wrote:
Mike Goebel wrote:
I think it comes down to the fact that Phoenix is spelled so dumb!


Mike G.


And Winnetka isn't? Confused


Dude it has Win in it! Shocked


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

veerachart murphy wrote:
And just like purchasing coffee at dunkin donuts you can still enjoy your coffee sitting at Starbucks. At PKRA you are welcome to purchase your yellows anywhere you like and race at PKRA. No body said they had to buy PKRA yellows. Because there is no such thing. We just require yellows ran because of our contract with MG.

No different than Tom requiring whites at his events


.....and all of this is why most don't stay in karting..including us!

Think about it.

Who benefits from all of these different tire scenarios?

Not the karter.

In my experience the problem is with the long -term kart people,and the people who are on the club boards,who mirror the "Harper Valley PTA"

One more time.

Why do most people leave this sport 2-4 years in?

Because of crap like this.
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