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TJ Koyen
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Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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Just as a second opinion, we also slipped around 10k on the clutch for pipe as well. We're talking old school Yamaha pipe here, not the new KPV pipes or whatever they're running on them nowadays. _________________ T.J. Koyen
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Sean Kisselbach
Joined: 04 Feb 2012 Posts: 18
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Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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| We use the new style pipe. Mabey that is the difference? |
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Brian Mead
Joined: 18 Mar 2007 Posts: 787 Location: United States, Tennessee, Franklin
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 8:21 am Post subject: |
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I'm sure it is. The original poster referenced the L2, which is what I have.
I'd still play with the slip to see if you can get better times. Better yet, show up with an L2, slip it to 10.2 and see the difference. |
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Michael Knauf
Joined: 31 Oct 2011 Posts: 58
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:23 am Post subject: |
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Builder told me over 10K for the L2 pipe, around 8600 for the can.
I'll of course play around on the tracks I am going to run as see what is best for me. At least those seem like good ballpark #'s _________________ Mike |
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Ken Olson
Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 1019 Location: United States, Washington, Monroe
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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If you are needing lower than normal sprint racing gear ratio's, because your track is tighter/smaller.. look into a 20mm belt primary jackshaft setup.. be worth your time, and will cover you on any track you go to.. gear changes made simple.. will be able to use ratio's from 17:1 all the way down to 4.5:1 depending on the gears you use on the rear and jackshaft.. Kent @ Laukaitis sells them also for about 270.00..
You'll need an engine belt driver and a motorplate(bolts up to the Yamaha base and has a couple of studs sticking out the bottom on 3" centers to slide in the jackshaft base so you can adjust belt tension)
With a 21 tooth engine belt driver, the belt primay ratio is 2.71(57/21) so you just multiply the rear gear set times the primary ratio to get the final gearing.. and any of the 4 stroke 3/4" bore clutches will work well.. by going with the belt reduction.. it slows the clutch down to the normal operating speed of a 4 stroke, while your engine is turning 10,200 when it engages.. 2 disc or 3 disc dry clutches are cheap anymore.. heck, a little 2 disc MDC clutch would do the trick on a pipe Yamaha..
21/57 belt x 15/75 rear is 13.55:1(small enough gear, 75 tooth so it doesn't hit the ground)
21/57 belt x 24/53 equals 5.98:1(you can find gears up into the 20's just about anywhere for a 3/4" bore/#35 pitch clutch.. nice thing about it.. when you are ready to step up to a case inducted reed engine like a TT-75 or Parilla Reedjet for more power.. you can just bolt it up..
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ted tucholski
Joined: 31 May 2003 Posts: 244 Location: United States, Arizona, Phoenix
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:35 am Post subject: |
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| Sean, you are using an RLV 3 pipe used to replace the old can. These guys are reffering to tuned pipes. 3 or 4 HP difference and they slip'em 9600rpm to 10800 in some cases. Send me a pm on PKRA's website |
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John Cleveland
Joined: 26 Jun 2007 Posts: 30
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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Mike, Avon is a great track. Didn't run there last year was running dirt but ran a pipe there a handful of years ago. Had an A2 with a L&T 3 disc, slipped to about 10,200. I cant remember off the top of my head but I ran either a 10 tooth drum and 80 or 82 sprocket ( notebook is on trailer) I'll have to look when i get a chance. If you can get it I always ran VP leaded ( felt it helped lubricate and cushion the ring a little extra) 110 with red line synthetic and never had an issue. Cant go wrong with Laukaitis either. I have won two WKA divisional championships in 4hole can running his stuff, great motors and advice. _________________ "Commitment isn't the time you spend its a line you cross" |
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Michael Pine
Joined: 29 Nov 2007 Posts: 19 Location: United States, Florida, Boynton Beach
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John Matthews
Joined: 04 Dec 2004 Posts: 1993 Location: United States, Michigan, Williamsburg
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SPAM _________________ John Matthews
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Max Wood
Joined: 19 Sep 2001 Posts: 704 Location: United States, New York, Rochester
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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| John Cleveland wrote: | | Mike, Avon is a great track. Didn't run there last year was running dirt but ran a pipe there a handful of years ago. Had an A2 with a L&T 3 disc, slipped to about 10,200. I cant remember off the top of my head but I ran either a 10 tooth drum and 80 or 82 sprocket ( notebook is on trailer) I'll have to look when i get a chance. If you can get it I always ran VP leaded ( felt it helped lubricate and cushion the ring a little extra) 110 with red line synthetic and never had an issue. Cant go wrong with Laukaitis either. I have won two WKA divisional championships in 4hole can running his stuff, great motors and advice. |
+1 on what John says. 11T is a no go for Avon with the tight corners. The Tomar 23-3 has been good at the local tracks also. I prefer Caster oil, but a lot of folks use Redline locally with good luck. Keep in mind the carb settings will be very different from Can to Pipe. |
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