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| If you could have any current F1 driver for your team, who would you pick? |
| "Eyebrow" Alonso |
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| "Hat Trick" Vettel |
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| "I'm a proper Brit" Button |
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| "Gotta Have A Merc" Hamilton |
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| "Leave me alone" Kimi |
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| None of the above - I'd go for one of the young lions |
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Tim Doll
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It's been kind of quiet, and it's weeks before the 2013 season starts. So a little hypothetical question to stir things up: You're an F1 Team manager, and you can have your pick of any one current driver. There are five drivers in F1 that have previously won the championship - who would you choose?
For me, it would be a toss-up between Vettel and Alonso. Vettel has obviously won the last three championships - two of those with what was arguably not the best car on the grid (althought to be fair the Red Bull has always been close). He's simply dominated his no-slouch teammate Webber, and his drives from the back in the last two races of 2012 were simply outstanding. Alonso has managed to make the Ferrari look good, which I don't really think it was (at least in 2012) and had impressive consistancy in 2012. He's really done more with the Ferrari than most people thought was possible, and he nearly always finishes higher than he starts. I think I've been more impressed with Alonso the last couple years than I was when he was winning championships at Renault.
Hamilton is fast, but subject to 'red mist' a little too often, and leaving McLaren for Mercedes really does make me wonder about his judgement. Button is great when he's on and likes the car, and tends to be easy on the tires and equipment, but when he's off he's terrible. Kimi - he's still fast but I don't see the same fire in him that was there before he won the championship.
All that being said, I'd pick Vettel over Alonso, mainly because I still have some trouble forgiving Alonso for some of the crap he pulled at McLaren against Lewis, and I doubt he was totally innocent of the whole Piquet crash fiasco at Singapore.
So what does everyone else think?
Tim
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I pretty much agree with all your points.
I'd pick Alonso. He's quick, smart, relentless, and consistent. He's the most complete driver on the grid in my opinion. And his ability to drive a car to it's absolute limits and beyond is unrivaled. And if I owned an F1 team, I'd probably need that because I'm sure my car would suck.
Vettel is a bit in the same mold as Hamilton I think, a tad too emotional at times. Can't argue with 3 championships though. He's obviously incredibly good, but he isn't a complete package yet I don't think. But that will come with age.
Hamilton is also fantastically quick, though his emotions tend to get the best of him too often and he loses his cool, causing him to drive with his heart rather than his brain on occasion. And his silly personal life issues tend to get in the way. Regardless of what he says, his idiotic comments about Jenson un-following him on Twitter and how that somehow shows that Jenson "doesn't respect" him is high school level maturity. He still acts like a little kid sometimes, but that may go away now that he is moving away from the McLaren nest and will be forced to bust his butt to make the Mercedes a winning car.
Kimi is a bit like Alonso I think, though maybe not quite as intelligent and maybe a tick more raw pace. I think he's one of the best drivers on the grid, but his motivation, regardless of what he says, still is a bit in question to me. No telling how long he'll be on the grid before he gets bored again.
Just for fun, I think Hulkenberg would make a fantastic 2nd driver to any of these guys right now. He'd be my choice for #2. I think he's got potential to become an elite driver within the next few years.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:33 pm Post subject: F1 |
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Gotta go with Vettel. Dude can flat out drive! Have to agree with his performance in the last two races of 2012. And obviously not with the best car on the grid. I like Hamilton but agreed with the comments about his maturity. What was all that twitter stuff about anyway?
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joseph hollinger
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Alonso is a cheater. I'm amazed that people are so willing to look past that. Not to mention the fact that we know that, when in equal cars Hamiliton is faster than Alonso.
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| joseph hollinger wrote: | | Alonso is a cheater. I'm amazed that people are so willing to look past that. Not to mention the fact that we know that, when in equal cars Hamiliton is faster than Alonso. |
Alonso finished higher in the championship this year than Lewis and he had the inferior car. To say Hamilton is faster is hardly fair. Alonso's run with McLaren was a idiot move to begin with. As if he was ever going to somehow rally the team that had basically nurtured and raised Lewis since he was a wee lad... Hamilton had all the support and resources at McLaren.
I'm amazed that people are willing to look past his talent and call him a "cheater". Singapore was completely unacceptable of course. But he WAS the best driver this year. No cheating needed.
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| TJ Koyen wrote: |
To say Hamilton is faster is hardly fair. |
Hamilton is faster in same equipment  Already proved it. 
I'd go with Vettle and Hulkenberg 
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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| TJ Koyen wrote: |
Alonso finished higher in the championship this year than Lewis and he had the inferior car. |
They had different cars and Alonso's was more reliable and he was, to put it mildly more lucky.
| TJ Koyen wrote: | | To say Hamilton is faster is hardly fair. |
It's absolutely fair. When Hamiliton got to F1, Alonso had already been there for six years. Hamilton still beat him in the championship. The next year wasn't even close and Hamilton pretty much beat the p o o out of Alonso.
| TJ Koyen wrote: |
I'm amazed that people are willing to look past his talent and call him a "cheater". Singapore was completely unacceptable of course. But he WAS the best driver this year. No cheating needed. |
Once a cheater--always a cheater.
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Tim Doll
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| joseph hollinger wrote: | | Alonso is a cheater. |
Come on Joe, tell us what you really think  .
Actually I don't disagree (recall, not one but two teams were heavily penalized for their actions when he was driving for them). I was just trying to be a little more subtle about it  .
But he is a winner - and people have a habit of overlooking character flaws when it comes to winners. Prost, Senna, and Shuey all had a bad habit of running into the competition when the championship was at stake. Part of being a winner is willing to do "whatever it takes", and the definition of what's over the line can get rather gray at times. IMHO, Alonso has stepped over it. At least so far, the other four guys on the list haven't.
Which is why my vote went to Vettel.
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I have to say that my one disappointment with Senna was that intentional crash. In his defense, it was a tit-for-tat situation and I don't expect that he would have ever done that outside of that context. Alonso's stuff was entirely unprovoked.
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| joseph hollinger wrote: | | I have to say that my one disappointment with Senna was that intentional crash. In his defense, it was a tit-for-tat situation and I don't expect that he would have ever done that outside of that context. Alonso's stuff was entirely unprovoked. |
And you have to remember with the incident where Senna drove into Prost, he had pole and requested it be changed to the clean side of the track (otherwise it's not an advantage) and he was denied that request.
Christopher Hilton wrote a really good book on Senna that went into a lot of depth about the controversies and is a good read for anyone interested.
For me I would like to have Vettel and Alonso on a team. If he was still alive, but younger (I know I'm reaching on this one) it would be cool to see Senna and Vettel on the same team |
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Tim Doll
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| Chris Hurst wrote: |
For me I would like to have Vettel and Alonso on a team. If he was still alive, but younger (I know I'm reaching on this one) it would be cool to see Senna and Vettel on the same team |
I agree it would be fun to see Vettel and Alonso in equal cars, but Alonso has shown he does not play well with teammates that are not clearly number 2 drivers.
I'm not sure how Vettel would react - he's clearly become the defacto number 1 at Red Bull, however I don't think Webber really thinks of himself as a #2, and he has really chaffed when treated as a #2. If would be interesting to see how Vettel would react if circumstances put him out of the running for the championship but he was in a position to help Webber win (I'm thinking a scenario similar to what Shuey did after he broke his leg about ten years ago)
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Chris Hurst
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| Tim Doll wrote: | | Chris Hurst wrote: |
For me I would like to have Vettel and Alonso on a team. If he was still alive, but younger (I know I'm reaching on this one) it would be cool to see Senna and Vettel on the same team |
I agree it would be fun to see Vettel and Alonso in equal cars, but Alonso has shown he does not play well with teammates that are not clearly number 2 drivers.
I'm not sure how Vettel would react - he's clearly become the defacto number 1 at Red Bull, however I don't think Webber really thinks of himself as a #2, and he has really chaffed when treated as a #2. If would be interesting to see how Vettel would react if circumstances put him out of the running for the championship but he was in a position to help Webber win (I'm thinking a scenario similar to what Shuey did after he broke his leg about ten years ago)
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Good points Tim, thats why I think it would be so interesting. Neither of them would want to be #2 and thats when you see people really fight for it. I.e. Prost V. Senna at Mclaren.
The character of both men would be tested and pushed to the edge and thats when we would see their true personalities both in and out of the car displayed.
It would force Alonso to play the game and put his head down or fold under the pressure and it would show us what Vettel can do when another great driver has equal equipment and access to information as well as engineers (team preference / politics aside).
The racing between the two both physically and psychologically would be interesting to watch.
Vettel is no doubt a great driver, easily top 3 in the entire sport at the moment. He has also had the best car on the grid. If you flipped Alonso and Vettels cars I wonder how that hypothetical season would play out. |
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Juan D Gomez
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All really good and valid points.
But if I was a team manager, I wouldn't waste my time trying to get a world champion in my team.
I'll rather spend my money to get the genius of Adrian Newey on board to design the car. I could do this for half the price I could get Alonso or any of the other drivers mentioned.
Then, I'll wait for them to come knocking on my door for a chance to drive a championship winning car. 
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| Juan D Gomez wrote: | All really good and valid points.
But if I was a team manager, I wouldn't waste my time trying to get a world champion in my team.
I'll rather spend my money to get the genius of Adrian Newey on board to design the car. I could do this for half the price I could get Alonso or any of the other drivers mentioned.
Then, I'll wait for them to come knocking on my door for a chance to drive a championship winning car. |
Brilliant!
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Alonso might be a cheater, but Hamilton is the definition of a tw@t. Either guy as my teammate would be taking it seriously for all the wrong reasons. Also, being that fastest driver rarely matters. There is a multitude of skill sets that completely cancel that.
I chose Kimi, he'd be the most fun to party with.
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