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David Siller
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 Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:05 pm Post subject: New Engine Homologation |
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Is it apparently true that the 2013 CIK Engine Homologation was delayed until next year because they couldn't figure out what to do to resurrect the failing KF class? They should have resolved this long ago!
Maybe a new generation of 125cc Piston Port motors without counter-rotating shafts and power values would be a good starting point. Maybe both air and water-cooled versions would make sense as well. Continue with low-engagement clutches and simple pipe requirements.
Those engines would deliver performance without so much complexity and added costs! Just some thoughts...!
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John Matthews
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They should come up with a formula that Yamaha, Honda, and Briggs would be interested in. Maybe even a CIK BSP formula 
As long as they try to keep the number of players down it'll become even more irrelevant to American kart racers.
JMHO,
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Alan Dove
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 6:59 pm Post subject: Re: New Engine Homologation |
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| David Siller wrote: | Is it apparently true that the 2013 CIK Engine Homologation was delayed until next year because they couldn't figure out what to do to resurrect the failing KF class? They should have resolved this long ago!
Maybe a new generation of 125cc Piston Port motors without counter-rotating shafts and power values would be a good starting point. Maybe both air and water-cooled versions would make sense as well. Continue with low-engagement clutches and simple pipe requirements.
Those engines would deliver performance without so much complexity and added costs! Just some thoughts...! |
Most want rid of the powervalve. It's fine in e a one-make series, not so fine when you have warfare between manufacturers. The key issue with CIK racing is that multi-manufacturer racing isn't that attractive any more. It doesn't bring a massive performance gain Vs single-spec stuff it and doesn't add much else in terms of pure product for the end customer. The CIK would be better off just copying Sudam and really keep it simple and cutting the costs of those already committed to CIK racing.
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Keith Bridgeman
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:45 pm Post subject: Re: New Engine Homologation |
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| Alan Dove wrote: | | David Siller wrote: | Is it apparently true that the 2013 CIK Engine Homologation was delayed until next year because they couldn't figure out what to do to resurrect the failing KF class? They should have resolved this long ago!
Maybe a new generation of 125cc Piston Port motors without counter-rotating shafts and power values would be a good starting point. Maybe both air and water-cooled versions would make sense as well. Continue with low-engagement clutches and simple pipe requirements.
Those engines would deliver performance without so much complexity and added costs! Just some thoughts...! |
Most want rid of the powervalve. It's fine in e a one-make series, not so fine when you have warfare between manufacturers. The key issue with CIK racing is that multi-manufacturer racing isn't that attractive any more. It doesn't bring a massive performance gain Vs single-spec stuff it and doesn't add much else in terms of pure product for the end customer. The CIK would be better off just copying Sudam and really keep it simple and cutting the costs of those already committed to CIK racing. |
Are you saying let the Spec plague move to the CIK classes as well. That would be sickening.
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Frankie Schaffier
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Excatly... I just don't get why this class hasn't caught on over here on the east coast.
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[Looks like NOLA has a format that works...nice job guys.
quote="Mitch Wright"]F200[/quote]
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Walt Gifford
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:21 am Post subject: Re: New Engine Homologation |
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| David Siller wrote: | Maybe a new generation of 125cc Piston Port motors without counter-rotating shafts and power values would be a good starting point. Maybe both air and water-cooled versions would make sense as well. Continue with low-engagement clutches and simple pipe requirements.
Those engines would deliver performance without so much complexity and added costs! Just some thoughts...! |
You just described the Comer K125.
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Jim McMahon
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KZ homolologation is going ahead as planned. KF is still has been on the rocks since its inception. As for piston port with a power valve. I pass. Sounds like a punched out JICA. SudAm might be a good direction. Honestly I think they are in trouble with whole KF concept.
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Mitch Wright
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| Thanks Chad, it is working for us and our program is growing. |
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Peter Zambos
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I have to agree that the karting world rather missed the boat by not going the way of the SudAm.
Here's the Karting1.co.uk write-up of them:
http://tinyurl.com/6zcodqp
For the Euros and Brits that lament the days of direct drive, they could take them as they are. For us Americans who aren't that fond of pushing and jumping, I'm sure we could find a way to adapt the Leopard/X30 clutch to the thing. If there's an IAME importer/distributor watching this thread, perhaps you could inform us as to why no one pushed for it.
For better or worse, there's now more than one manufacturer in the SudAm game, though I can't remember who the new kid is, so I can't find the link.
Also, by the looks of things from this vid, if anybody had an Aixro, it could probably be run at the same time, if the Aixro top end didn't give it too much of an advantage on the longer tracks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1cKGcFLnGk |
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Billy Smith
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| Peter Zambos wrote: | | For us Americans who aren't that fond of pushing and jumping, I'm sure we could find a way to adapt the Leopard/X30 clutch to the thing. If there's an IAME importer/distributor watching this thread, perhaps you could inform us as to why no one pushed for it. |
Doesn't the Karting1 review suggest that the Sudam is basically the same as an X30 without the starter, or am I misunderstanding what they were trying to say? So don't we currently have access to the the Sudam in the form of the X30 engine?
| Quote: | | The engine looks pretty much exactly like the IAME X30 or the Reedjet that won the 2005 World Karting Championship with Oli Oakes & PDB. It’s pretty and simple. The very latest generation of Sudam engines are water-cooled. Other than that there’s not much to describe. It has a piston, conrod, some other internal stuff and that’s that. It’s a simple engine, no fuss. Think the Parilla X30 without the ‘TaGness’. |
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Peter Zambos
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There certainly is some similarity between the two. However, where the big distinction lies is that there is no cumbersome start/stop ignition and battery. That's a good deal of weight reduction, not to mention a couple of expensive parts that are no longer hanging around to fail. If we wanted to get even more simple, there is an air cooled version. That would be even better in my view. One less thing.
My anecdotal understanding is that it also has more torque to it. |
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Chris Livengood
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