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mal crosher
Joined: 01 Sep 2007 Posts: 270 Location: Australia, not us state,
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:25 am Post subject: |
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yea I here you on mullen. Legend. He doesn't have to skate tbh.
Yea I know the obvious in relation to rally v skateboarding but at top level I can see some fair attributes a bit of truth to his statement. Reading and knowing traction and surface coupled with balance , speed and right weight distribution. quick judgement , reflexes, hand/foot/eye co ordination clean approach and exit. Commitment.
I can see that.... |
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Chris Hurst
Joined: 27 Jul 2007 Posts: 572 Location: United States, California,
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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| mal crosher wrote: | yea I here you on mullen. Legend. He doesn't have to skate tbh.
Yea I know the obvious in relation to rally v skateboarding but at top level I can see some fair attributes a bit of truth to his statement. Reading and knowing traction and surface coupled with balance , speed and right weight distribution. quick judgement , reflexes, hand/foot/eye co ordination clean approach and exit. Commitment.
I can see that.... |
Agree with you on those points 100%. I was just thinking from a technique stand point, but that makes sense when you put it that way. On the note of commitment though a guy like Bucky is obviously not committing as hard in the corners as Loeb so you do see the difference.
In my opinion motor sport takes more commitment mentally than skateboarding. In skating if you mess up a trick and you bail you slide down a ramp because you know how to fall. Whens the last time a guy broke his board and burned alive losing his ear?
That to me is the difference. Speed changes things considerably. When you are traveling 180+mph in an F1 car for example if you screw up you go into a wall traveling very, VERY fast.
The level of commitment in motorsport is on par with the level of commitment in free climbing a mountain face. One slip up and you're life can be terminated rather quickly.
Winston Churchill allegedly had a quote that there are only three real sports in the world: rock climbing, bull fighting, and motor racing.
That is a quote (if its real and people argue if it is) that has always stuck with me. Even if its not real, its still a damn good quote and if Churchill didn't say it I will happily take credit because I think there is an enormous amount of truth in that statement. |
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Tim Pappas
Joined: 25 Jul 2001 Posts: 795 Location: Burkina Faso,
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 3:50 am Post subject: |
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| Chris Hurst wrote: | [quote="mal crosherWinston Churchill allegedly had a quote that there are only three real sports in the world: rock climbing, bull fighting, and motor racing.
That is a quote (if its real and people argue if it is) that has always stuck with me. Even if its not real, its still a damn good quote and if Churchill didn't say it I will happily take credit because I think there is an enormous amount of truth in that statement. |
That quote was from Ernest Hemingway. It was also made when race cars had no seat belts and drivers wore leather helmets. Not to minimize the danger, but it has been a bit sanitized since then. |
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mal crosher
Joined: 01 Sep 2007 Posts: 270 Location: Australia, not us state,
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:10 am Post subject: |
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yea I heard a quote like, can't recall from same except boxing, swimming and running. Anyway...
Yea you can bail early to knees, provided it's not on concrete bowl then that raises the stakes knowing you are going to have to run it out of every mistake . You still have to stomp the landing. Degree of getting hurt doesn't come into the commitment side as pain is pain regardless of how you do it. Imo , No you may not go up in a fireball but broken bones , punctured lungs,dislocated joints or stuck in a wheel chair crapping into a bag etc is still the same pain.
I guess it Comes back to what you class who is better in relation to what you know.
Tbh I don't rate any drivers as great athletes in comparison to what else is out there, I'd put motogp , top mx/sx before any 4 wheel motorsport .
I'd put rally before f1. |
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Alan Dove
Joined: 10 Jun 2005 Posts: 984 Location: United Kingdom (Great Britain), not usa state,
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 5:35 am Post subject: |
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| Tim Pappas wrote: | | Chris Hurst wrote: | [quote="mal crosherWinston Churchill allegedly had a quote that there are only three real sports in the world: rock climbing, bull fighting, and motor racing.
That is a quote (if its real and people argue if it is) that has always stuck with me. Even if its not real, its still a damn good quote and if Churchill didn't say it I will happily take credit because I think there is an enormous amount of truth in that statement. |
That quote was from Ernest Hemingway. It was also made when race cars had no seat belts and drivers wore leather helmets. Not to minimize the danger, but it has been a bit sanitized since then. |
Though it's a quote attributed to hemingway, there's no evidence he actually said that.  _________________ Karting1.com - Home of the most awesome karting stuff on the net. |
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Chris Hurst
Joined: 27 Jul 2007 Posts: 572 Location: United States, California,
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Alan Dove wrote: | | Tim Pappas wrote: | | Chris Hurst wrote: | [quote="mal crosherWinston Churchill allegedly had a quote that there are only three real sports in the world: rock climbing, bull fighting, and motor racing.
That is a quote (if its real and people argue if it is) that has always stuck with me. Even if its not real, its still a damn good quote and if Churchill didn't say it I will happily take credit because I think there is an enormous amount of truth in that statement. |
That quote was from Ernest Hemingway. It was also made when race cars had no seat belts and drivers wore leather helmets. Not to minimize the danger, but it has been a bit sanitized since then. |
Though it's a quote attributed to hemingway, there's no evidence he actually said that.  |
Thats what I heard too, and my mistake I meant to say Hemingway not Churchill (long day).
I think we can all agree though in summary that karting will not be in the X-games nor will any real credible form of motorsport in the near future. I'm glad as well, I don't think racing cars belong in the X-games.
I recall having an opportunity to instruct for some track day series and when I showed up there was a girl who couldn't have been any older than maybe 20 with a Subaru that was all decked out in DC logos, she had a DC hat on and DC shoes, DC shirt and I just remember looking at her thinking what a waste of money she spent buying into a trend. Must be nice.
The people who get into this stuff because of trends are usually the 1st ones to go, it seems with karting a lot of people who stay with it do it because they love it and you see them going well into their 40s and 50s and even 60s continuing their passion. Thats how karting should stay in my opinion.
It's like seeing high school football on TV now, it really makes me scratch my head. They're just kids, but the commercialization is creeping down younger and younger. How long until 7th graders are being drafted for $100,000 a head? Kids are slowly but surely having their childhoods stripped away from them and subjected to commercialization at an alarming rate and we're seeing this in karting and have been for some time.
While I worked as a karting instructor for a few months I was amazed to see how some of the parents treated their kids who would come to do a 2 or 3 day school. So much emphasis on the equipment or turning a particular lap time you get the sense the dads were living vicariously through their children. Its sad. |
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Cory Ross
Joined: 19 Nov 2012 Posts: 171 Location: United States, Colorado, El Jebel
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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The younger and younger age of sports development I would not say is from commercialization. It is just the competitive nature of sports. The US ski team, if you are not on their radar and part of a development team by 16 you have about a 10% chance of making it on the team. Almost any ski team if you are over 20 and not on a national team you are done. Ski racing has very little money in it unless you are part of the top ten in the world.
Sports are so competitive and specialized now that if you are not developed along the right path from a very young age teams are not interested. So many kids in their 20's start to wonder if they really want to be doing what they are doing yet stay with it because it is all they have. This is a big problem in motocross. Kids are pulled out of school so they can train. If they do not make it they do not have much of an education to fall back on. |
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Matt Dixon
Joined: 21 May 2007 Posts: 588 Location: United States, California, Norcal
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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Cory we live in a ski town. It starts much younger than you say. We have Skier Contracts at our school (which benefits us because Garrett is allowed to miss school to travel and race) but the kids have to maintain their grades and we have frequent meetings with the teachers.
BTW my academic standards for my son is much higher then the schools. _________________ Matt Dixon
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Cory Ross
Joined: 19 Nov 2012 Posts: 171 Location: United States, Colorado, El Jebel
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:14 am Post subject: |
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Oh I know a lot about skiing. 16 was a safe number. I have a private ski coach that lives with me a few days a week when he is here training the kids of the property owner of the land I live and work on. As of this year I will also be grooming the terrain park at Buttermilk(host of the X Games).
I wish all people held their kids to higher standards. That is not always the case. To often the kids fall way behind yet somehow the schools they report to let them slip by. |
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Matt Dixon
Joined: 21 May 2007 Posts: 588 Location: United States, California, Norcal
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:22 am Post subject: |
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Very cool we are in Tahoe City. My son is the only kid in town that doesn't have a season pass, he chooses tires and top ends over skis... Haha. Sorry back on topic... _________________ Matt Dixon
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Eric Gossard
Joined: 09 Oct 2012 Posts: 16
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:18 am Post subject: |
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| Greg Wright wrote: | A new pipe!!!  | LOL LOL _________________ "You don't know how far you can go, until you go too far" |
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mike clements
Joined: 08 Jan 2005 Posts: 267 Location: United States, Arizona, San Tan Valley
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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A Huge smoothe slab of concrete, slightly wet down and call it "Drifting Karts".OK, maybe not wet at all. Just make sure the karts and keep the rear tires smoking for the entire event. Karts going through a road course, tandem, smoking the tires, and an inch apart. I believe this would do it. _________________ Began kart racing 1959. Made many friends along the way. |
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TJ Koyen
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Alan Dove wrote: | | Tim Pappas wrote: | | Chris Hurst wrote: | [quote="mal crosherWinston Churchill allegedly had a quote that there are only three real sports in the world: rock climbing, bull fighting, and motor racing.
That is a quote (if its real and people argue if it is) that has always stuck with me. Even if its not real, its still a damn good quote and if Churchill didn't say it I will happily take credit because I think there is an enormous amount of truth in that statement. |
That quote was from Ernest Hemingway. It was also made when race cars had no seat belts and drivers wore leather helmets. Not to minimize the danger, but it has been a bit sanitized since then. |
Though it's a quote attributed to hemingway, there's no evidence he actually said that.  |
I researched that quote a few months ago just out of curiosity and it's yeah, it's often attributed to Hemingway, but most believe it actually came from another author, Barnaby Conrad.
Back to the topic.  _________________ T.J. Koyen
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Chris Hurst
Joined: 27 Jul 2007 Posts: 572 Location: United States, California,
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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Some really interesting points being made. I didn't realize they started kids in sports like skiing that early. It makes sense though since you sort of grow with the sport and your brain is still developing so you are laying the foundation for the kid as they get older.
I don't think it's always the case that if you don't start doing something at 5 or 6 you are going to be horrible at it if you start later in life. Jim Clark was born in 1936 and didn't have his first race until 1956 making him 20 years old.
How many teams now would look at a 20 year old Jim Clark and take a 13 year old Lewis Hamilton instead? There is no denying that Clark was a brilliant driver.
Since we're all going off on tangents I figured I'd go on one too
To get back on topic I just shot an email to the X-Games and asked them about karting and what it would take to get karts into the venue. Eagerly waiting the reply and I will copy and paste it when (if) it's received. |
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mike clements
Joined: 08 Jan 2005 Posts: 267 Location: United States, Arizona, San Tan Valley
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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How about, Full contact, figure 8 Karting ? Put up a bunch of money for the first guy to complete 5 laps in the final event. That intersection should draw some viewers ! _________________ Began kart racing 1959. Made many friends along the way. |
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