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Brian McHattie · Joined: 28 Jan 2002 Posts: 386

I dont hear any complaining out west about masters weights......
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Tim Koyen · Advertiser Joined: 26 Nov 2002 Posts: 1556

We're definitely gathering information and looking into the Masters weight situation. One thing that we need to keep in mind is that in a mixed engine Tag series, the option always existed to go to a larger engine package if you were over the Leopard weight. With a Leopard only series, this option no longer exists.

The series will continue to evaluate the situation and update everyone along the way. Feedback is always welcome, both on the forum and privately.

Thanks!
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Mark Peters · Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:29 pm Post subject:

Tim put me down for a TaG Masters weight as low as possible, but at the same time I'm good with 380 and you know how much weight I have to add to my kart to make that weight. I'd rather run a somewhat restricted TaG at 380 compared to driving a yamaha at 375
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roberto perez · Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:54 pm Post subject:

What Mark Peters said!
+1
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Bobby Greene · Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:42 pm Post subject:

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Chris Rock · Joined: 15 Aug 2002 Posts: 338

Not that it means much but my .02 cents on the masters class –
Weights seem to run between 385# to 405# for masters depending on the series/engine. The weight picked will never suit everyone, maybe split the difference and run at 395#. As has been said all ready, most orgs. are currently at 385# for masters with the Leopard package now anyway. It was mentioned in the announcements of classes that one of the goals for masters was to reduce speed to save dollars and save “old bodies”. In place of the header change I think an easier way to accomplish that would simply be to run the masters class on a harder tire and limit them to one set per weekend. I’ve run the NJ Sprint Series which runs the harder tire for masters and that seems to work well, most guys run 1 set of tires for the weekend without an issue. I’ve also done TaG masters at FWT which only allows masters one set of tires for the weekend as a cost savings measure. I know it is contrary to your goals but sure wish it was going to be a multi-engine masters class.

Bobby Greene · Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:49 pm Post subject:

[quote="Chris Rock"]Not that it means much but my .02 cents on the masters class –
Weights seem to run between 385# to 405# for masters depending on the series/engine. The weight picked will never suit everyone, maybe split the difference and run at 395#. quote]

+1 on 395#

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Mark Peters · Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 7:36 pm Post subject:

If we are going to be an inclusive series then I'd like to suggest that all other professional series become inclusive as well including dropping a basketball rim to 8 feet and shortening a marathon to a quarter mile so that everyone can be included. If this is a series that is about head count, then open the weights to make sure everyone can compete. If this is to be an exclusive series that features the best in various classes then the drivers need to fit to the class requirements along with drivers skills and accomplishments. In addition I don't believe anyone will be turned away for being above the minimum weight.
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Jerry Hudson · Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:45 pm Post subject:

Mark

You really seem to have an issue with an average sized American male over 35 (5" 11", 195 lbs. according to most surveys you see) participating COMPETITIVELY in this Master's class. OK, let's call him a full grown man, for funny's. You also seem to think any guy over that size is out of shape and shouldn't be racing with you. That is laughable.

The last remark of your post about not turning anyone away for being over weight is the most stupid, ridiculous, asinine, absurd ....tell me when to stop..... comment I have heard in a long time. It is comments like that from racers like you that....well, really piss me off. In other organizations, as a bigger guy, you have the option to run a different engine package, such as the Rok TT or Sonik TX, to account for this. Here they are locking you into a motor, so they need to do something for the bigger guys. John Dixon, Brian MaHattie, Chris Rock; all these guys are national champion level drivers that could never hope of making a 380 weight in a Leopard package. They weren't born with the short or skinny gene. And, they are not fat hack's, which your posts seem to represent anyone who can't make 380 weight in a Leopard package is.

It sounds like you want a rules advantage simply in favor of you smaller guys. Don't penalize them for being average size. I can guarantee you just because a guy weighs more than 200 lbs., that doesn't mean he's out of shape. In my opinion, they should gear the class weight with a 190-200 lb. driver in mind, that will catch the higher weight guys that are capable.

Last I read, it was the US Pro Kart Series, not the US Midget/Little Guy Racing League.

And, Oh yeah, tell Mark Coats and all the other people and sponsors involved in this venture, that kart count doesn't matter.

I will get off my soapbox now.

Jeff DeMello · Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:35 pm Post subject:

^^^^Bravo. Well said..
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