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Arie 0uimet
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I just took 15 minutes of my time to read every post in this thread and I still have mixed emotions about this.
The idea of growing the sport of karting and helping it to the next level with a "pro" series is all great. But what kind of progress are we making if we're using the same engine package that doesnt only date back years, but decades? If you look back through the years of karting, everything moves forward; the chassis, the level of competition, the series, the tracks. Yes, the engines are abundant and less expensive than the Tag packages (in reference to the yamaha), but look at some of the things Vortex is doing with their Mini Rok and how successful that program is at the FWT and Supernats. Progress is made in many ways, and one way is using these new, more efficient, more powerful, and more reliable engine packages.
And to some of the Yamaha rookie posts that were put up earlier, look at the Rotax ladder of classes. Mini Max runs nearly two seconds a lap faster at New Castle than Yamaha Junior Lite....food for thought.
Call me old fashioned, but if its a "PRO" karting series, then it needs to be treated like one. There is a need for local, regional, and national levels of racing. Its all about progression, and how a driver learns at each level. But its a PRO series, give the drivers a PRO level kart drive. I'm all for spending less money, but there's a time and a place for everything, and cost comes with this territory, its inevitable.
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mark coats
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 6:58 pm Post subject: Good Job TK!! |
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Hey TJ,
Great job on the logo!!
Thanks man,
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Mike Martz
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:15 am Post subject: |
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the two right engines + limited classes + 16 year old senior rule + tire rule + testing rule + great tracks + school friendly schedule + longer races = home run!
Mark - I knew it would be good!
Mike
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Tom Varner
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:20 am Post subject: USPKS |
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| any Chassis length specs for Rookie and Cadet classes? |
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Tim Reed
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:49 am Post subject: |
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Have you decided on a tire yet? Bridgestones? MGs? Mojo?
What is the payout structure looking like for semi-pro and pro? What about Yamaha classes?
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Jim McMahon
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mark coats
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:40 am Post subject: Answers - |
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Mike,
Thank you for the kind words, I really think the racers will be pleased.
Tom,
Contact Jamie Sieraki at Franklin on that question.
Tim,
That will be determined in the next several weeks.
Jim,
It will just be easier on the "Masters" bodies and pocket books.
Attention all Karters,
Thank you for all of the emails, text & phone calls. They will all be answered now that the cat is out of the bag!
I hope the "TEAM" can live up to the series name. I promise that we will always listen to the racers and not sponsors checks to guide what we do to improve & promote US Sprint Racng.
There will be more press releases answering everyones questions in the coming weeks.
The NEW "USPKS" website will be launched anyday now.
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Keith Bridgeman
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So I'm guessing after looking at the tracks this is a midwest series kind of being called a US or national pro series? Not really. Why not spread it out a bit more so it is a national series? I'm guessing Yamaha and TAG Leopard are spreed out through the whole country.
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Jim McMahon
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:01 am Post subject: Re: Answers - |
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| mark coats wrote: | Jim,
It will just be easier on the "Masters" bodies and pocket books. |
I think your hearts are in the right place, but I'm not sure about this formula for masters..
Has a lot of testing been done with the 30mm restrictor with heavier drivers? Racing is hard work, that's just how it is and I think a series that promotes itself as pro or national level should expect a certain level of commitment from drivers. Ribs will still get pounded in the turns, compounded by the heavier "stature" of these drivers. The overwhelming majority for costs at these events are tires along with travel and accommodation. I think any (debatable) savings in rebuild/maintenance costs would be swamped by these expenses. I applaud the effort to save racers money I'm just not sure if its going to work.
It's an interesting and counterintuitive idea and I hope it works out but I just cant imagine many masters drivers at a "national" level going for such a package. Time will tell.
It seems more like a class setup to discourage the "pro" drivers from entering and diluting things. Which is a good idea, but I don't think such a class should be called "masters".
JMO
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Greg Wright
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| Arie 0uimet wrote: |
Call me old fashioned, but if its a "PRO" karting series, then it needs to be treated like one. There is a need for local, regional, and national levels of racing. Its all about progression, and how a driver learns at each level. But its a PRO series, give the drivers a PRO level kart drive. |
Hey Arie, I'll adress this from my perspective.
The track record for series that have gone the direction that you are suggesting is a bit less than stellar. (Stars, CKI etc.)
You have to admit that USPKS is some thinking that is "outside of the box" (I hate that term) and maybe, just maybe it's time for some fresh thinking.
I believe it was Albert Einstein that said "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
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William French
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:34 am Post subject: USPKS |
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| To all those involved in this series, great job! I think this is exactly what is needed and I will predict that this series will be the one to be at in 2013! I for one can't wait to see it roll out in Moorseville in April. You can bet I will be there! |
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Gary Osterholt
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:50 am Post subject: Re: Answers - |
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| Jim McMahon wrote: |
I think your hearts are in the right place, but I'm not sure about this formula for masters..
JMO |
Considering from what I've heard, a lot of the Masters drivers in WKA have expressed switching back to the Yamaha.
I think a slower Leopard Masters will be just fine.
Gary
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Jim McMahon
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:48 am Post subject: Re: Answers - |
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| Gary Osterholt wrote: | Considering from what I've heard, a lot of the Masters drivers in WKA have expressed switching back to the Yamaha.
Gary |
#americankartersareweird
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Gary Osterholt
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:04 pm Post subject: Re: Answers - |
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| Jim McMahon wrote: | | Gary Osterholt wrote: | Considering from what I've heard, a lot of the Masters drivers in WKA have expressed switching back to the Yamaha.
Gary |
#americankartersareweird
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People just want to race. Yamaha or TAG or Leopard. It doesn't matter. Most Americans karters don't have a dream of racing in Europe, especially the guys in the Masters.
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Jim McMahon
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:14 pm Post subject: Re: Answers - |
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| Gary Osterholt wrote: | People just want to race. Yamaha or TAG or Leopard. It doesn't matter. Most Americans karters don't have a dream of racing in Europe, especially the guys in the Masters.
Gary |
I get that. What I think is weird is that it seems a lot of stateside racers would rather drop down a class than up the ante and work on fitness.
#maybeimjustweird
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