2201 CR125 Cylinder

Matt Dixon · Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 1:12 pm Post subject:

Fritz's motor had nothing to do with how freaking deep he drives into turn 1!!!
Insane skills!!!
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Steve Buckner · Joined: 22 Apr 2003 Posts: 839

It was great day for anyone that stepped on the box for the Super Nat's. Its very hard to just make it thru the 3 days of racing and stay out of trouble. It was also great to here the call by Rob, as Fritz was on the move. Cool

Not so cool, was Ron and Gary's contact. Crying or Very sad

Enjoy the Turkey.

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Mike Goebel · Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:52 pm Post subject:

I think you did absolutely great!!! But I'm concerned that your helmet paint job was not considered in the ultimate finishing position Wink

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Alex King · Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:39 pm Post subject:

Seriously – is this all you have? You make a lousy argument. Your assessment below is flaw, border line desperate. Let me repeat, you are looking at apples and oranges by comparing data of two different classes AND under different circumstances; hence, lap time comparisons of both heat and main event(s) are simply irrelevant. If anything – for purpose of comparison AND even this is border line – consider the actual results instead of lap times; so based on the items you provided below, the actual results are as following:

Heat 1 – Billy finished 1st vs. Fritz finished 4th
Heat 2 – Billy finished 1st vs. Fritz finished 1st
Heat 3 – Billy finished 3rd vs. Fritz finished 22nd
Main – Billy finished 1st vs. Fritz finished 2nd

You have put a lot of emphasis on lap times – which I disagree as I stated above. However, the only time in which you can actually make a meaningful lap time comparison (for all days and all sessions) – is the qualifying session – and that is where the data will show you that not only Billy set the fastest lap for his ‘S2’ class, his time was also fastest of all ‘S1’ class (Fritz qualified 8th in ‘S1’).

Now, let’s take a couple of steps back. I made a statement yesterday that when it comes to ’01 cylinder’, MRC is the very best engine builder. You challenged my statement by throwing the names of Fritz and SwedeTech. To be clear, I am not discrediting Fritz as a driver nor I am discrediting SwedeTech as an engine builder – I never did that and I am not doing that now. But you simply failed to make any valid points in which would diminish my initial statement, that MRC is indeed the very best engine builder when it comes to ’01 cylinder’. In fact, it’s your subsequent comments that actually helped to highlight the incredible success MRC (and Billy) achieved in their SuperNats debut – simply incredible - so thank you!

Alex King · Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:47 pm Post subject:

In agreement with both of you! It's unfortunate that Chris had to initiate this by throwing the names of Fritz and SwedeTech into the mud.

Tim Pappas · Joined: 25 Jul 2001 Posts: 791 Location: Burkina Faso,

[quote="Alex King"]Seriously – is this all you have? You make a lousy argument.

Now, let’s take a couple of steps back. I made a statement yesterday that when it comes to ’01 cylinder’, MRC is the very best engine builder. You challenged my statement by throwing the names of Fritz and SwedeTech.

How about this statement. Claiming that someone built the very best engine based on lap times, wins, or number of time he visited the porta potty is as flawed as well. There is a very real possibility that the very best engine was buried well in the pack driven by a driver that sucks on a poorly set up chassis. The only real claim you can make is that MRC had the S2 winning engine. Anything else is just plain crap. Wink

Stanley Morgan · Joined: 28 Sep 2012 Posts: 25

I'm confused. I understand that the rules say that we can't do anything to the stock Honda motor when we put it together. If I'm reading the rules right, then what do these engine builders do that I can't do myself?

valentin yakimenko · Joined: 05 Sep 2012 Posts: 20

Chris Laird · Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 11:07 am Post subject:

Alex, lap times do matter to a point but not solely and completely. Who was the first person to throw out lap times? Why is qualifying all that counts? Plenty of other sessions were only 10-15 mins apart? I never said Musgrave didn't build good motors did I? My original statement was that everybody that saw the S1 race may disagree with your statement that the Musgraves are hands down the best 01' builder out there. I was at Snats and saw the power Billy had and the power Fritz had and based my opinion on what I saw. Did you see any of it? Did Fritz drive insanely deep into turn one? Hell yes but, that was after he flew down the straight in a dominating fashion. Fritz's motor was THE TALK in the S1 pits.

@ Ryon at no point in time was ANYBODY saying the drivers couldn't drive. This was a debate about motors until you made it otherwise.

Like Steve said; it's a hell of an accomplishment to make through the 3 days of racing and 2 days of practice and get to stand on the box. It means you had a little bit of luck and drove your ass off.

As far as the building of the motors are concerned there isn't a whole lot you can do to a stock package but, if you get every tenth out of everything you can do it adds up. Some builders are better than others at finding every little bit. Until you see it or try it you won't know who has the best. Then you form your opinion. If you can't size your motor up to another on the track with the best, you won't REALLY know.

Andre Eriksen · Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 11:28 am Post subject:

And that's why I posted a head to head dyno chart between the two cylinders instead... Cool if the thread could go back to topic...
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Ace Rossi · Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 11:37 am Post subject:

Sure glad I live in Florida!

Not as much if any drama! Smile

Alex King · Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 11:52 am Post subject:

Boys...Chris...I really enjoyed having this discussion with you guys...but I really have to go...wife is heading out to some black Friday shopping...and I must handle the kids...

Let me end by saying this. Individuals have their way of defining best - and that is OK. At the end of the day, I am very comfortable with my MRC choice and I am now choosing to no longer be in this debate because I think it will only surround individual names and engine builders with negativity - and nobody deserves that. I hope that this thread did not take anything away from the hard work and accomplishments of those at the SuperNats - they did fantastic and hopefully some of the average local guys like myself will get to benefit from the experience they attained. And for the person that posted this original thread, hopefully you got the answers you were looking for. I hope that you nor anyone else looking into getting into karting (or Stock Honda) did not get discouraged by statements made here. Karting is a passionate sport. We are passionate people. Hopefully you will get to join us - can assure you that we are all good fund to be at the track - except for Chris hahaha!

Happy Post-Thanksgiving Everyone!

Alex King · Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 12:01 pm Post subject:

Check this out guys...pretty cool!!! The S1 winner...Simas...how tall is he??? Haha!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lz51siYKIM