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Ihor Bilyy
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| Was a good chance to kill KT-10X once and forever. Instead it gets new life |
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jim rogero
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| Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Ihor Bilyy wrote: | | Was a good chance to kill KT-10X once and forever. Instead it gets new life |
Ihor, even though the KT100 is out dated, there are thousands of them in this country and they are a less expensive way for some people to race karts. It may better to introduce a better engine when the US economy is stronger. |
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Jacob Curtis
Joined: 11 Oct 2007
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Location: United States, Florida, Tampa
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| Good point Jim. I remember always racing guys with KTs and think how obsolete they were compared to my Rotax, but now I would probably be happy to race one myself. Add the fact that there is now a professional series with pay-out, this may be the gateway class for American karting. |
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Keith Bridgeman
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Seems like stock moto would have fit with the one engine type series they have here but they where smart not to try to jump in against the SKUSA tour.
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Ihor Bilyy
Joined: 13 Jul 2005
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Location: United States, Georgia, Canton
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| Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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| jim rogero wrote: | | Ihor Bilyy wrote: | | Was a good chance to kill KT-10X once and forever. Instead it gets new life |
Ihor, even though the KT100 is out dated, there are thousands of them in this country and they are a less expensive way for some people to race karts. It may better to introduce a better engine when the US economy is stronger. |
They appear to be cheap. How much did you want for your engine(s) and how much did it cost you in, say, 2 years?
We have, maybe, 20 drivers in junior (even less in senior) who have multiple top notch-not-700-bucks engines. The rest are privateers who time to time think they can beat them, sweetened by engine builders (we have a lot of them, more than national level drivers).
I am curious to see how noise level will be handled in MMX. |
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Craig Lintner
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Location: United States, Indiana, North Salem
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Any predictions on how WKA will fair towards the latter half of 2013 and if they will be around in 2014?
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jim rogero
Joined: 18 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Ihor Bilyy wrote: | | jim rogero wrote: | | Ihor Bilyy wrote: | | Was a good chance to kill KT-10X once and forever. Instead it gets new life |
Ihor, even though the KT100 is out dated, there are thousands of them in this country and they are a less expensive way for some people to race karts. It may better to introduce a better engine when the US economy is stronger. |
They appear to be cheap. How much did you want for your engine(s) and how much did it cost you in, say, 2 years?
We have, maybe, 20 drivers in junior (even less in senior) who have multiple top notch-not-700-bucks engines. The rest are privateers who time to time think they can beat them, sweetened by engine builders (we have a lot of them, more than national level drivers).
I am curious to see how noise level will be handled in MMX. |
Ihor, First, the topic above says, "United States Pro Kart Series" this may differ from what you are thinking.. I would add that Every Single Go Kart Racing Engine", falls into the "appear to be cheap" category. I don't want to get into the debate about how one may "appear cheaper" than another. I simply stated that there are alot of KT 100 engines in the US and it would cost less to race a plentiful powerplant than it would be for someone to buy a brand new engine package... The "privateers who from time to time think they can beat them"... Is this not the case regardless of the engine, or how does it differ? |
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Ihor Bilyy
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| Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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| jim rogero wrote: |
Ihor, First, the topic above says, "United States Pro Kart Series" this may differ from what you are thinking.. I would add that Every Single Go Kart Racing Engine", falls into the "appear to be cheap" category. I don't want to get into the debate about how one may "appear cheaper" than another. I simply stated that there are alot of KT 100 engines in the US and it would cost less to race a plentiful powerplant than it would be for someone to buy a brand new engine package... The "privateers who from time to time think they can beat them"... Is this not the case regardless of the engine, or how does it differ? |
KT-100 stock - cheap, crap. $700 vs $1700 - difference in price shows who is making money here and why this class was selected for Pro Series.
KPP stock much better (more equal, just based on other people's opinion) but not that cheap (not included in series).
All TAG engines more or less equal in performance out of the box. I'm actually OK with selecting only 1, Leopard is most popular, with exception of South East.
Shifters,.. more about ability to drive it, than engine package. Exception is KZ classes, where all drivers qualify within half a second. |
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jim rogero
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| Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Ihor Bilyy wrote: | | jim rogero wrote: |
Ihor, First, the topic above says, "United States Pro Kart Series" this may differ from what you are thinking.. I would add that Every Single Go Kart Racing Engine", falls into the "appear to be cheap" category. I don't want to get into the debate about how one may "appear cheaper" than another. I simply stated that there are alot of KT 100 engines in the US and it would cost less to race a plentiful powerplant than it would be for someone to buy a brand new engine package... The "privateers who from time to time think they can beat them"... Is this not the case regardless of the engine, or how does it differ? |
KT-100 stock - cheap, crap. $700 vs $1700 - difference in price shows who is making money here and why this class was selected for Pro Series.
KPP stock much better (more equal, just based on other people's opinion) but not that cheap (not included in series).
All TAG engines more or less equal in performance out of the box. I'm actually OK with selecting only 1, Leopard is most popular, with exception of South East.
Shifters,.. more about ability to drive it, than engine package. Exception is KZ classes, where all drivers qualify within half a second. |
I am guessing that your issue is"who is making money" and who is not? If that is the case, let me share this one with you.. The people that race are making the money, PERIOD! If they didn't make money they would NOT RACE... Do they need to be labeled as well? |
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Wagner Kevin
Joined: 07 May 2007
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Location: United States, Virginia, Williamsburg
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| Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:38 pm Post subject: Let hope WKA listens to their Junior membership |
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There is another telecon this evening...one can only hope that all the independent testing that has occurred and been documented and raised up to WKA has some impact ........and they retract their rules modification for the junior cup restrictor. This change is just costing money to get engines redone, testing, and has opened the door to a splintering of the karters into another National series. And if they run the restrictor at Daytona and it is terrible WKA says they will modify it..again more money.
Where the best racers go..so will the rest go and based on the recent testing and the impact of the changes...I believe after Daytona a mass Junior exodus from WKA over to the new series will occur.... Internationally, Junior classes already run considerable faster than in WKA.....so to Rotax or USPKS it will have to be ......Thanks for spending my Christmas $$ WKA |
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jeff grose
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Doesn't everyone remember CKI and how that turned out, just asking 
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Andrew M. Coulter
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Can I make a Christmas wish? I wish this new series will limit the amount of tires that can be run over the course of a weekend drastically. TWO (2) sets per weekend. One set for practice and another set for BOTH days of racing. Let's see who can really set up a kart and compete, even budget racers may have a chance  Let's limit the practice days available before races. Let's stop taking kids out of school for a week. Let's let people that have Mon-Fri 9-5 jobs have the opportunity to run a full series. And most importantly, that will help level the playing field between the budget racers and the rest. Done with my rant... |
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mike prokup
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| Quote: | | Let's stop taking kids out of school for a week. Let's let people that have Mon-Fri 9-5 jobs have the opportunity to run a full series. |
That is one of the best suggestions I have heard on these forums. The tire suggestion is another very good idea. Maybe someone will listen. |
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Nathan Adair
Joined: 19 Dec 2011
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Location: United States, Florida, Orlando
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| Andrew M. Coulter wrote: | | Let's limit the practice days available before races. Let's stop taking kids out of school for a week. Let's let people that have Mon-Fri 9-5 jobs have the opportunity to run a full series. And most importantly, that will help level the playing field between the budget racers and the rest. |
You mean you don't like straining your work schedule all week in order to take just Friday off and then show up at the track bright and early on Friday to find the majority of the competition has been there testing all week?  |
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James Wonder
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Location: United States, New York, Glen Cove
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| Andrew M. Coulter wrote: | | Can I make a Christmas wish? I wish this new series will limit the amount of tires that can be run over the course of a weekend drastically. TWO (2) sets per weekend. One set for practice and another set for BOTH days of racing. Let's see who can really set up a kart and compete, even budget racers may have a chance Let's limit the practice days available before races. Let's stop taking kids out of school for a week. Let's let people that have Mon-Fri 9-5 jobs have the opportunity to run a full series. And most importantly, that will help level the playing field between the budget racers and the rest. Done with my rant... |
Great ideas, every one of them! Lets go down the list:
Limit tires - No way as long as the tire manufacturers are sponsors!
Limit practice days before races - No way, the tracks will lose money.
Budget racing - Really? Can racing and budget go in the same sentence? 
Love all your ideas, but they will not ever be put into place, nor will there ever be a level playing field because of it.
Follow the money and you will find the reasons!
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