| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
Doug Heizenrader
Joined: 17 Mar 2010 Posts: 5
|
Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:28 pm Post subject: Starting Leopard in cold weather |
|
|
We have just moved up from World Formula to a (used) IAME Leopard ('0 package. Today was to be our first shakedown run, and unfortunately we were unable to get the engine to fire. The weather was cold (low 40's).
The starter is working fine, and we are getting spark at the plug, but no joy when it comes to starting. Having absolutely no prior 2 cycle experience, we are a bit lost. My sense is that the engine is not drawing fuel, but I don't know.
Are there any special techniques for cold starting in these conditions, or is it more likely there is a problem with the engine.
Any advice for this 2 cycle newbie is much appreciated.
Thanks,
Doug |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Greg Wilkinson
Joined: 29 Dec 2007 Posts: 66 Location: United States, Ohio, Hilliard
|
Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:09 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I'll assume you are running castor oil. Castor oil will seperate from gas at 50 degrees or colder and carb will pump only the heavy oil into the engine.
Blendzall Ultra Castor is the only castor oil that I know of that will not seperate, (has addatives). When you do get it running make sure to get water temp up to at least 100 degress before you run it hard or you will "Cold Stick" the engine. _________________ Greg Wilkinson
Driver-Angel Wilkinson
"Tag" Team Wilkinson
Kosmic T-11 - Comet Leopard |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Clark Gaynor
Joined: 29 Aug 2002 Posts: 534 Location: United States, Pennsylvania,
|
Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:47 am Post subject: |
|
|
Throw a carb kit in it. Pull the carb to do this and make sure the pulse holes in the manifold/gasket/carb are all lined up. Choke it by putting your hand over the airbox holes while you're cranking it, and watch for the fuel to move from the tank to the carb.
Also wouldn't hurt to richen' up the low and high speed needles on cold days. You don't need to stick the thing.
Clark Sr. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Matt Dixon
Joined: 21 May 2007 Posts: 531 Location: United States, California, Norcal
|
Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:31 am Post subject: |
|
|
If you have an external starter that always helps.
If you don't see fuel being pulled into the carb then put a rebuild kit in the carb. If you do choke it do not cover the holes completely, you can damage the pump diaphragm or worst the reeds.
If the low speed needle is to lean it will be hard to start. _________________ Matt Dixon
94y Energy Corse/Swedetech |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Oscar Biondi
Joined: 27 Sep 2011 Posts: 221 Location: United States, California, Carmichael
|
Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:06 am Post subject: |
|
|
Make sure there are no air bubbles in the fuel line by the carb. Blow air through the tank vent while you unscrew the screw on the carb's blue plastic inlet and that should push fuel to clear any bubbles.
If you want to choke the carb you can also remove the air box and cover the carb with your hand. Like someone said earlier, if the carb has not been touched for a while, put a rebuild kit on it. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Greg Wright
Joined: 25 Oct 2001 Posts: 2499 Location: United States, Indiana, Clermont
|
Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:26 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Greg Wilkinson wrote: |
Blendzall Ultra Castor is the only castor oil that I know of that will not seperate, (has addatives). |
Sorry, Not true, It may not seperate at 50 degrees but I'll double guarantee you that it will seperate in the low 40 degree range. _________________ Greg Wright
Rapid Racing Inc.
NKN Columnist & Host "Karting News Live"
I AM INDY!!
"When in doubt, gas it. It won't help but it ends the suspense." |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Clark Gaynor
Joined: 29 Aug 2002 Posts: 534 Location: United States, Pennsylvania,
|
Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:38 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Greg's (both of them) are right and I forgot to mention it too. We use Motul 2T pure synthetic year round with no seperation issues. It wouldn't hurt to mix a fresh batch of fuel while you're at it. Why chance old stuff, if that's what's in it. Also for what it's worth, per WKA rules, we run our Motul at 8 oz./gal. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Patrick Hubbell
Joined: 22 Jul 2001 Posts: 2546 Location: United States, California, San Jose
|
Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:12 pm Post subject: |
|
|
The Leopard starter is marginaly efective and shoul only be useed if you get stranded out on the track. Use an external starter as much as possible. The batteries are less efficient the colder the ambient temperature gets.
If you are using castor oil it will become thick as mud in those temps. Try synthetic oil. 8 ounces per gal.
Make sure you prime the fuel system. There sould not be any bubbles
from the tank to the carb. Set the low speed needle on the carb to 1 turn. Try cranking the engine, you may need to choke it by covering the air intake. crank it over first with your foot off the pedal and the butterfly closed. If it doesn't fire right away, then try choking it. DO NOT try to remove the fuel line from the blue plastic fuel inlet especialy at those temps. the fuel inlet will break. Buy at least one spare, incuding the gasket and screw.
install a new spark plug.
Once started, run the engine untill it gets to at least 100 degrees F. to avoid cold sticking the piston. _________________ Patrick Hubbell |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Aaron Witzke
Joined: 11 Oct 2012 Posts: 27
|
Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:16 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| I had no problem starting my leopard on Saturday in 0*-1* (Celsius) weather. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Paul Makarucha
Joined: 11 Jun 2002 Posts: 861 Location: United States, New Jersey,
|
Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 1:04 pm Post subject: |
|
|
FWIW, I always pulled the plug and put a bit of spray oil (your choice, I just used WD-40 or fogging oil) into the cylinder for each first startup on the day. This was just to ensure that there was some oil on the ring before trying to turn it over.
WD-40 also ignites easier than gas so its like cheater/starter fluid to get it going.
Always prime the line to the carb.
After a day of running it is adventitious to spray some fogging oil past the butterfly on the carb (while its running) to coat the bottom end. Then shut it down. This ensures no rust as it sits, and again makes it easier to start next time you take it out. _________________ CKR/KZ
CRG/ICA
http://WWW.ACTIONKARTRACING.COM/
http://neshifterkartseries.com/
http://Jaymotorsports.com
Do you have any special rituals when the helmet is concerned like many have? - "I wipe it so that I can see better." - Kimi |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Jim Derrig
Joined: 22 Apr 2008 Posts: 1015 Location: United States, Washington,
|
Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:51 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| I know people will freak out and claim it will damage the motor, but a small shot of good old fashioned starter fluid into the carb throat will do it every time. Before you do this, take out the spark plug and crank the motor enough to make sure the top end is well lubricated. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Tim Koyen Advertiser

Joined: 26 Nov 2002 Posts: 1557
|
Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:51 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Frequently, in the cold, separated oil can cause the needle valve to stick open and the engine will not start. Only cleaning out the gummy oil from the carb will fix the problem. Use the external starter in the cold, the on board one is very weak. Always prime the carb when starting for the first time by blowing all the bubbles out. _________________ High Quality American Made kart stands. Available direct to you or through one of our many dealers.
www.kartlift.com
Toll Free: 877-777-8020 or 608-235-4761 anytime
www.facebook.com/kartlift |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
|