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Frankie Schaffier
Joined: 18 Jul 2001 Posts: 467 Location: United States, Ohio, Fostoria
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Ron Gordon wrote: | | Why not just make the seniors faster someway (like back to pipe only Senior Classes) and leave the rest alone?????Ron |
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patrick slattery
Joined: 23 Apr 2004 Posts: 787 Location: United States, Ohio, cleves
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:49 am Post subject: |
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Ron, I think the new pipe will accomplish this right now. Unless we make the weight 405  |
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Frankie Schaffier
Joined: 18 Jul 2001 Posts: 467 Location: United States, Ohio, Fostoria
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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| patrick slattery wrote: | Ron, I think the new pipe will accomplish this right now. Unless we make the weight 405  |
I agree Pat.. I'd rather seen an open pipe, but there's more to it at that point then just bolting on a different pipe. To me this pipe is better then the can. I know it's going to cost folks some money, that I understand. I don't like dishing out the money either, but I still stand by that for the senior class, I feel its a step in the right direction. Just my opinion of course.
I'm interested in what the weight will be for the senior class also. Has anyone heard either way? _________________ Frankie
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Mark Erpelding
Joined: 27 Dec 2007 Posts: 138 Location: United States, Indiana, Ft Wayne
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:48 pm Post subject: Can Class |
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I was told 345 was going to be the weight. And I am sure there will be more to it than just bolting on the new pipe. You can't tell me the engine will not need modifications from the current can configuration to get maximum performance to the new pipe. You can prolly bolt it on and it will go faster, but maximum performance I doubt it _________________ We spend our money on Racing, Whiskey, and Women ~ The rest we waste! |
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Dan Rudd
Joined: 15 Oct 2009 Posts: 198
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:40 am Post subject: |
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At one point or another I've read all 13 pages on this subject and so I know its been touched on, but does anyone know specifically what needs to be done to the motor to convert to this pipe? I've read some say that very little need be done and read some who say new cylinder and head with specific machining.
I've seen a couple dyno sheets whereas the pipes have been tested but not sure if it was just a case of bolting on the pipe and testing or if any other tuning had been done.
A couple of us are heading to our builder this Sat (Frankie, come on up , were going out for lunch after) to try to learn more but I thought maybe someone here already had some answers.
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John Horn 33
Joined: 30 May 2008 Posts: 52 Location: United States, Ohio,
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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Alright...full day of testing today at Camden with Olivia, Emerson Reed and Samantha Wellage. Had a great day temps right at 70 perfect for karting. We all worked together all day trying to figure things out. Trust me we tried everything between the 3 of us. At the end of the day we were all right at about 42.1 on a junior Yamaha. The last race we ran same config at the track we had colder temps and ran 40.2. I do believe that the komet sportsman qualified at 42.1 at the glss race this year
Also the junior yamahas had a tough time getting by a sportsman Yamaha down the straights. We had a good bit faster corner speed than them and the sportsman ended up around a 43.6
I think we are slowed a little too much. |
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Kyle C Smith
Joined: 15 May 2010 Posts: 122 Location: Germany, Hessen, Hofheim
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:38 am Post subject: |
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| John Horn 33 wrote: | | At the end of the day we were all right at about 42.1 on a junior Yamaha. The last race we ran same config at the track we had colder temps and ran 40.2. I do believe that the komet sportsman qualified at 42.1 at the glss race this year |
I don't know the track conditions you were in, but keep in mind the changing track conditions. At an actual race, a GLSS race no less, there is a lot more rubber down. Plus colder temps produce more horsepower (and if it isnt too cold for the track temp and tires) the conditions tend to be faster.
I've been to tracks running laps with 3-5 people and been 2 seconds slower than a club or a regional race just because of the lack of rubber, dirt, dust, etc. My point is this, wait for a fair back to back test before automatically saying that it is two seconds slower. It may very well be, but don't make the assumption before there is good back to back evidence. Then if you really want to complain your point to WKA, go ahead. Otherwise, I would stop complaining because everyone has to deal with the same situation anyways. _________________ Kyle Smith
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Ray Mcik
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:28 am Post subject: |
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Hi Kyle,
With who all was out at G&J Kartway yesterday involved in the testing, i would say they are very close to what the time difference is . _________________ Ohio Valley Karting Association
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Kyle C Smith
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Ray Mcik wrote: | Hi Kyle,
With who all was out at G&J Kartway yesterday involved in the testing, i would say they are very close to what the time difference is . |
Fair enough, I just wanted some thought process involved before simply ranting. Still my last point stands, everyone has to deal with it so move on. Do you think Red Bull is pissed in Formula 1 when they ban a part? Yes, but they suck it up, and everyone has to abide by the same rules. So put raw emotion aside, go out there and simply get the most out of your package, which is the same for everyone. _________________ Kyle Smith
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james clark
Joined: 01 Jan 2006 Posts: 5 Location: United States, indiana, terre haute
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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The whole reason for the restrictors was to slow the juniors, right ?
Sounds like the change is doing exactly what they wanted.
Give it a couple of Man Cup events and the racers and tuners will get at least another 1/2 second out of it once they have time to learn it a little better.
If the senior pipe works out as planned, looks like the ladder system may be back on track. |
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John Horn 33
Joined: 30 May 2008 Posts: 52 Location: United States, Ohio,
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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Ray Mcik
Joined: 26 Mar 2005 Posts: 531
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:51 am Post subject: |
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| Kyle C Smith wrote: | | Ray Mcik wrote: | Hi Kyle,
With who all was out at G&J Kartway yesterday involved in the testing, i would say they are very close to what the time difference is . |
Fair enough, I just wanted some thought process involved before simply ranting. Still my last point stands, everyone has to deal with it so move on. Do you think Red Bull is pissed in Formula 1 when they ban a part? Yes, but they suck it up, and everyone has to abide by the same rules. So put raw emotion aside, go out there and simply get the most out of your package, which is the same for everyone. |
Hi Kyle,
just a fyi for you, I went out to the track yesterday to get some practice in, the track was in great condition, decent amount of rubber and grip, pretty close to the same weather conditions as the last time we raced 1b configuration, we had about 20 others out there practicing . My lap times were consistent with what i run during a race. So this leads me to believe what John states is pretty accurate.
This is not F1 , RedBull and others have money to throw around when a change happens, karters do not , we very budget sensitive when changes are implemented . _________________ Ohio Valley Karting Association
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patrick slattery
Joined: 23 Apr 2004 Posts: 787 Location: United States, Ohio, cleves
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:09 am Post subject: |
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| Kyle and Jimmy, you both are running in Seniors, CORRECT? |
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Mark Erpelding
Joined: 27 Dec 2007 Posts: 138 Location: United States, Indiana, Ft Wayne
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:30 pm Post subject: Can |
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Kyle, As others have said we are not F1 we do not have the budgets to make changes so quickly. Others in this class and myself have spent many thousands of dollars to get competitave at the WKA level. I promice you it is not as easy as bolting a new pipe on. It means hours of dyno time = money! Dyno time eats parts = money, then when you think you might have it figured out you go test = money, Then when you blow up engines testing = money. And maybe the chassis will not work well with the new configuration= money. You might feel diferent if the money was comming out of your pocket. I am not sure it is worth racing WKA when you invest tens of thousands and they change the rules, with this short of warning and at this time of year. It is wait and see for me. It takes us much longer than the Big money teams to recover from a rule change like this! _________________ We spend our money on Racing, Whiskey, and Women ~ The rest we waste! |
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Kyle C Smith
Joined: 15 May 2010 Posts: 122 Location: Germany, Hessen, Hofheim
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