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Upcoming WKA 2013 changes to Juniors and Seniors can class
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Frankie Schaffier



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ron Gordon wrote:
Why not just make the seniors faster someway (like back to pipe only Senior Classes) and leave the rest alone?????Ron


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ron, I think the new pipe will accomplish this right now. Unless we make the weight 405 Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

patrick slattery wrote:
Ron, I think the new pipe will accomplish this right now. Unless we make the weight 405 Smile


I agree Pat.. I'd rather seen an open pipe, but there's more to it at that point then just bolting on a different pipe. To me this pipe is better then the can. I know it's going to cost folks some money, that I understand. I don't like dishing out the money either, but I still stand by that for the senior class, I feel its a step in the right direction. Just my opinion of course.

I'm interested in what the weight will be for the senior class also. Has anyone heard either way?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:48 pm    Post subject: Can Class Reply with quote

I was told 345 was going to be the weight. And I am sure there will be more to it than just bolting on the new pipe. You can't tell me the engine will not need modifications from the current can configuration to get maximum performance to the new pipe. You can prolly bolt it on and it will go faster, but maximum performance I doubt it
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At one point or another I've read all 13 pages on this subject and so I know its been touched on, but does anyone know specifically what needs to be done to the motor to convert to this pipe? I've read some say that very little need be done and read some who say new cylinder and head with specific machining.
I've seen a couple dyno sheets whereas the pipes have been tested but not sure if it was just a case of bolting on the pipe and testing or if any other tuning had been done.

A couple of us are heading to our builder this Sat (Frankie, come on up , were going out for lunch after) to try to learn more but I thought maybe someone here already had some answers.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alright...full day of testing today at Camden with Olivia, Emerson Reed and Samantha Wellage. Had a great day temps right at 70 perfect for karting. We all worked together all day trying to figure things out. Trust me we tried everything between the 3 of us. At the end of the day we were all right at about 42.1 on a junior Yamaha. The last race we ran same config at the track we had colder temps and ran 40.2. I do believe that the komet sportsman qualified at 42.1 at the glss race this year

Also the junior yamahas had a tough time getting by a sportsman Yamaha down the straights. We had a good bit faster corner speed than them and the sportsman ended up around a 43.6

I think we are slowed a little too much.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

John Horn 33 wrote:
At the end of the day we were all right at about 42.1 on a junior Yamaha. The last race we ran same config at the track we had colder temps and ran 40.2. I do believe that the komet sportsman qualified at 42.1 at the glss race this year


I don't know the track conditions you were in, but keep in mind the changing track conditions. At an actual race, a GLSS race no less, there is a lot more rubber down. Plus colder temps produce more horsepower (and if it isnt too cold for the track temp and tires) the conditions tend to be faster.

I've been to tracks running laps with 3-5 people and been 2 seconds slower than a club or a regional race just because of the lack of rubber, dirt, dust, etc. My point is this, wait for a fair back to back test before automatically saying that it is two seconds slower. It may very well be, but don't make the assumption before there is good back to back evidence. Then if you really want to complain your point to WKA, go ahead. Otherwise, I would stop complaining because everyone has to deal with the same situation anyways.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Kyle,

With who all was out at G&J Kartway yesterday involved in the testing, i would say they are very close to what the time difference is .
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ray Mcik wrote:
Hi Kyle,

With who all was out at G&J Kartway yesterday involved in the testing, i would say they are very close to what the time difference is .


Fair enough, I just wanted some thought process involved before simply ranting. Still my last point stands, everyone has to deal with it so move on. Do you think Red Bull is pissed in Formula 1 when they ban a part? Yes, but they suck it up, and everyone has to abide by the same rules. So put raw emotion aside, go out there and simply get the most out of your package, which is the same for everyone.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The whole reason for the restrictors was to slow the juniors, right ?
Sounds like the change is doing exactly what they wanted.
Give it a couple of Man Cup events and the racers and tuners will get at least another 1/2 second out of it once they have time to learn it a little better.
If the senior pipe works out as planned, looks like the ladder system may be back on track.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kyle C Smith wrote:
Ray Mcik wrote:
Hi Kyle,

With who all was out at G&J Kartway yesterday involved in the testing, i would say they are very close to what the time difference is .


Fair enough, I just wanted some thought process involved before simply ranting. Still my last point stands, everyone has to deal with it so move on. Do you think Red Bull is pissed in Formula 1 when they ban a part? Yes, but they suck it up, and everyone has to abide by the same rules. So put raw emotion aside, go out there and simply get the most out of your package, which is the same for everyone.


Hi Kyle,
just a fyi for you, I went out to the track yesterday to get some practice in, the track was in great condition, decent amount of rubber and grip, pretty close to the same weather conditions as the last time we raced 1b configuration, we had about 20 others out there practicing . My lap times were consistent with what i run during a race. So this leads me to believe what John states is pretty accurate.

This is not F1 , RedBull and others have money to throw around when a change happens, karters do not , we very budget sensitive when changes are implemented .
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kyle and Jimmy, you both are running in Seniors, CORRECT?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:30 pm    Post subject: Can Reply with quote

Kyle, As others have said we are not F1 we do not have the budgets to make changes so quickly. Others in this class and myself have spent many thousands of dollars to get competitave at the WKA level. I promice you it is not as easy as bolting a new pipe on. It means hours of dyno time = money! Dyno time eats parts = money, then when you think you might have it figured out you go test = money, Then when you blow up engines testing = money. And maybe the chassis will not work well with the new configuration= money. You might feel diferent if the money was comming out of your pocket. I am not sure it is worth racing WKA when you invest tens of thousands and they change the rules, with this short of warning and at this time of year. It is wait and see for me. It takes us much longer than the Big money teams to recover from a rule change like this!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

patrick slattery wrote:
Kyle and Jimmy, you both are running in Seniors, CORRECT?


Uhm, no. Last time I checked I moved to Germany and am not racing at the moment, looking at karting from an outside prospective to see whats better for the sport and overall development.
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