New CIK 4 cycle spec?

[Bob Vehring]

Rod, I wouldn't bet on that money statement, heres something interesting, look at any WKA magazine, go to the national sponsor page, with the exception of the enduro series, most series come close to having sponsors for each class and each race. Now look at the
speedway dirt series, not only do they have every class and race covered but theres 17 Assoc. sponsors, these are people who want to sponsor a class but there arn't any left, so they pay anyhow, now thats suport from your aftermarket ind. Bob

[Chad Stapleton]

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Originally posted by Bob Vehring:
Animals stock on alky make about 10 hp, F200 on gas about 12, we've also spent alot of time with opens, one of the simplest is using a 1" bore carb, a 308 cam and some porting, everything else is stock and no machining has been done, result and honest 17 hp, cost about $600 if you can port and assemble it your self, and it will live a long time, not a bad deal. Bob

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Bob,
are you saying that with a cam, carb, and porting, a stock 6.5 Intek will gain 10+hp ??
Jeeez, that thing must really be strangled in stock form ??
Or have i missed something ?

[Bob Vehring]

Chad,The confusion comes from the different names of the ohv Intek. several years ago racers started taking the Briggs ind. motors, the 5.5/190 cc and the 6.5/206 cc Inteks and modifing them for racing. In stock (ind.) form these motors had small carbs, small ports and were not designed for kart racing. When B&S Motorsports took the 206 / 6.5 hp Intek, changed the carb, rod, porting and valve train among other changes, it became the Animal, this is the motor that WKA has classes for. Right out of the box they make about 10 hp, claims are starting to show up on 4 cy.com of 11 1/2 in wka trim, both these versions still have a relatively small cam, carb and ports. following the guideline set above it will make 17 hp. We have taken it quite a bit further with bigger cams and carbs, lots more comp, has even survived a few sessions with 50% nitro, results have been outstanding and it has become the fastest 4 cy ever at Badger, times conciderably quicker than Yami pipe and HPV, I will add that these motors do require much more work than the one describe in the above post and I don't think I would run this one on the enduro tracks. In the never ending quest to push the limits were currently build one with a .070 forged piston and mounting a Hanson super charger on it, but for now that one is just sitting, time now for WKA Animals and head for Daytona. One last thought, If you haven't sean an Animal apart yet, think of it as a single cyl. small block chevy, thats basicly what it is Bob

[Prowrench22]

Brigg rates Horse power at 3300 RPM this is with a governor. Rip the governor off and spin it up to 6500 WOW 4 horse power gain. Now your at 10HP.But briggs rated 6.5 a little low with the race stuff installed.
Bob have you actually raced a motor at specs for the IRA rules yet. Wondering if your going to run the class in Circle Tour this year? I here Joe Moser is factory with Tecum's. Ready to smoke him? I would like to help you out if you are? Rich D.MaxTorque mechanic

[Bob Vehring]

Hey Rich, I didn't know that was you, I thought you left a few posts ago , theres some good 4 cy people over here, just not a whole lot of them. Regan allways ran a IRA F200 at L.G., he ended up as class Champion, Ryan and Sheldon some times came along but they ran opens with us. We will do the Lake Geneva races and maybe a few of the others but our main focus will be the CES series, missed 3 races in that series last year and it hurt us in the end. Joe was supose to get a motor from the tec guys last year, Hope it happens this year. Bob

[Brad Linkus]

Rodney

IMI Motorsports is importing the Biland 250 engine and will be running them with the Rotax Max class at IMI this season. We will have our first order of engines next week. We also will be renting karts with the Biland by the hour and also for racing by the day. We are also going to race them on our dirt track.
As far as Margay bringing in 1500 engines I doubt it. There are only 12,000 racers in the US. $3.5 million investment in one engine in a year? Biland has only made less than 1000 engines last year for all of europe. I would like to know where they got their info from, I am sure it was not from Margay.

BAD BRAD

[Rodney Ebersole]

Bad Brad, A.J. Hathaway told me you had some bilands on order. I am very interested in being involved in racing these things. Sign me up for dirt and asphalt, the check is in the mail, I think Good idea on the rent a race deal. I will be in contact.

[Chad Stapleton]

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Originally posted by Bob Vehring:
Chad,The confusion comes from the different names of the ohv Intek. When B&S Motorsports took the 206 / 6.5 hp Intek, changed the carb, rod, porting and valve train among other changes, it became the Animal, this is the motor that WKA has classes for. Right out of the box they make about 10 hp, claims are starting to show up on 4 cy.com of 11 1/2 in wka trim. following the guideline set above it will make 17 hp.
Bob

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Bob,
I understand the 5.5, 6.5, animal, etc, differences, but isnt using the Animal as the basis for an Open engine a waste of "modified" parts when you substitute your Open mods, ie cam, carb, port work etc.
Why not start with a Ind 6.5 (or i hear the 190cc is a better "Ballanced" starting point ?). Its a cheaper base to work from, and what else would need to be added over the animal start point ?

[Rodney Ebersole]

Chad, I haven't compaired it myself yet as I only have an animal and no inteks to compair to, but I have heard that the animals casting has more ribs and is a little beefyer casting in some key areas over the intek. At least that is what I was told. Untill I heard that I also was intending to use the intech as a base for an open but I guess I'll have to wait and take a look for myself.