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Spencer Uzri
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I run the same 16x10 dual core rad you've seen posted in this thread & I live in the PNW, where sunlight is a luxury most months of the yr. You can just tape it some if it doesn't come up to temp. The extra weight might be a benefit if you're a little light, & that extra volume helps with balancing the L/R weight distribution (a more important factor than total weight). My seat is probably a little more centered than it would be with a smaller rad.
Regarding elbow room, the rad mount points should put it far back enough to not be an issue. I've never touched mine. |
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Cesar Rull
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Thank you for the reply. I just some worth skarkshifter. Very helpful people.
The mentioned a 10x16 would fit in a na2 kart and that the height, as you mentioned is nota problem. The champion rads are unfortunatelty one core... |
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Tim Salvino
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Ken Schilling
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Cesar Rull wrote: | | ...They mentioned a 10x16 would fit in a na2 kart... |
Depending on the radiator mount and how/where you actually mount it, and at what angle, you may have to...ahem...."modify" the sidepod to make it fit by unceremoniously cutting away the offending portion of the sidepod. Make sure to cut away enough to accommodate changing the radiator angle.
Don't ask me how I know... 
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Cesar Rull
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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eh.. I really do not want to cut my side pods... This sucks.
At my Local store they don't have any rads to "test" fit. This buying online is a pita. |
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Ken Schilling
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Cesar Rull wrote: | eh.. I really do not want to cut my side pods... This sucks.
At my Local store they don't have any rads to "test" fit. This buying online is a pita. |
Some karts shops will have a radiator in stock to test fit. If not, they may have one that you can remove from a kart in the shop to test fit...
If not, make a template out of cardboard and use it to test fit.
Perhaps the only radiator that may not need you to cut away the sidepod is this one:
http://www.fastech-racing.com/kg-pentagon-radiator.html
This is one reason why you should frequent and support your local kart shop. I know you stated in another thread that you thought that they may be "screwing you" but think about it... Why would a kart shop, when trying to help a new karter like yourself, try to take advantage of you:
- Creating a bad customer experience.
- You'll pass along a negative experience at said kart shop. Word of mouth advertising and recommendations are everything. This is a very small "community"...
- Risk losing you to a competitor.
Look, there's nothing wrong with coming to grips with the fact that this sport is new to you and you need a lot of help & guidance. While using this forum to garner information is good, and you're doing a lot of it which is also good, I highly recommend that you take the time to visit a couple of kart shops in your area that support the racing you're looking to do. Ask a lot of questions and choose one of the shops and stick to them. Don't be "that guy" that frequents many kart shops looking for advice or the best price. Loyalty, in this small karting community, means a LOT!!!
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Cesar Rull
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Some karts shops will have a radiator in stock to test fit. If not, they may have one that you can remove from a kart in the shop to test fit... |
They did not, I tried.
| Quote: | | Don't be "that guy" that frequents many kart shops looking for advice or the best price. Loyalty, in this small karting community, means a LOT!!! |
Since the one store I plan to run at most of the time did not have anything in stock, I am looking for other options - for the very same reason you mention. So he doesn't have it, he would have to order one and there is a no refund policy. So if it doesn't fit I am stuck.
Don't worry I plan to buy consumables from them, and let them work on the kart on things I cannot do because I lack the tools. (trying to install my seat for instance. Which in reality to be honest, I am very hands on and I am up to the task of learning and working on my kart. I believe that is also part of the fun).
Thanks for the info, You are right, unless I elevate the radiator, I am going to hit the pod... I have done a mock up.
last and not least...
| Quote: | | ... think about it... Why would a kart shop, when trying to help a new karter like yourself, try to take advantage of you: |
because when you are new some people will just take advantage. let's just leave it at that. Know that I know much more about karts in general than I did almost 3 months ago, I can tell you this, They wanted to sell me some subpar kart for more than what I think and I know its worth. |
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Cesar Rull
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Question regarding mounting based on some of the responses.
Points 1 and 2 attach to the chassis, 1 to a bracket on the chassis by the lower right rail, and 2 on the axe holder. Correct me if I am wrong.
Are 3 and 4 fixed by tightening? or are they / so they have full degree of motion? (but then something tells me the rad would be flopping up and down).
So, if either 3 or 4 can be fixed, then but installed the lower bracket in a specific angle you can lift the rad enough over the NA2 pod.
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Cesar Rull
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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| something tells me you can use #4 to slide the radiator closer in or out. |
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Ken Schilling
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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Cesar,
Like you, I'm very hands on and mechanically minded. Over time you'll learn to do most, if not all, of the maintenance and R & R on your kart. I've been karting for ten years and the only things I don't do myself are:
- Alignment
- Engine bottom end
- Kart scaling and adjusting (if necessary)
I don't have either the tools or knowledge to do any of the above (I know I'll get some flak for that...  ). I've chosen not to invest in the equipment so I have my kart shop or engine builder do those for me.
However, I take great pride in the fact that I do the majority of my own work. Even if I could afford a mechanic, I would probably drive him/her crazy because I'm so anal about everything on my kart and how it's installed .
Regarding seat installation:
It's really not that hard once you have the baseline seat installation dimensions, including where the bottom of the seat should be in relation to the bottom of the chassis. You should get these dimensions from the chassis manufacturer/kart shop that you have. Plus, again check with your chassis manufacturer, but your final front to rear weight bias should be ~43% front and 57% rear (some would debate +/- 1%). Do your best to have it as close to equal side to side.
Google "kart seat installation video" and watch them.
You can also search on EKN for this information as well.
Happy karting!!!
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Cesar Rull
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | ..because I'm so anal about everything on my kart and how it's installed . |
Glad I am not the only one / glad you understand. |
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Ken Schilling
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Cesar Rull wrote: | Question regarding mounting based on some of the responses.
Points 1 and 2 attach to the chassis, 1 to a bracket on the chassis by the lower right rail, and 2 on the axe holder. Correct me if I am wrong.
Are 3 and 4 fixed by tightening? or are they / so they have full degree of motion? (but then something tells me the rad would be flopping up and down).
So, if either 3 or 4 can be fixed, then but installed the lower bracket in a specific angle you can lift the rad enough over the NA2 pod.
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On the radiator shown above:
- You are correct regarding #1 & #2 mounting to the chassis.
- #1 & #2 can be moved left or right, at the position marked #4, to help clear the seat or sidepod.
- Please keep in mind that you have a lot of adjustment with #1 & #2: length, left/right and angle.
- You will want to fully tighten #3 & #4 when you find the final position of the radiator. Do not tighten before this, you can either have it completely loose or just snug enough to move around and have it stay in position for mock up. You will also need to tighten #2 where it meets the upper cross rail at #3.
Tip #1: at #3 use some rubber washers on both sides of each radiator mounting tab. This will help minimize vibration which will eventually crack the mounting tabs (don't ask me how I know...). When this ended up happening to my radiator, I was lucky enough to find a radiator shop that was able to "double up" the thickness of the mounting tabs by cutting out equal sized tabs and welding them in place. Problem solved!
Tip #2:
Use some screen type material to cover both the front and back of the radiator. This will help protect it from rocks and other debris. Use very small self tapping sheet metal screws to attach the screen to the periphery of the radiator being VERY careful not to damage the upper or lower radiator tanks. Again, don't ask me how I know...
I however "avoided" all of this by buying some 1" wide x 1/4" thick aluminum strapping, 1" dia x 1/8" wall thickness tubing and various fasteners and fabricated my own radiator support bracket for ~$25 in materials. What I saved in money was far outweighed by the time involved however.... I've since fabricated an improved version but the premise is the same. This thing is bulletproof.
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Cesar Rull
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for all that info.
What size is that radiator ? And is it one of the tapered ones.
I really think that you can lift the radiator if the brackets is that adjustable over the lower part of the na2 pod.
Do you have any more pics ? |
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Mike Goebel
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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Do you think you will ever drive your kart Cesar?
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Cesar Rull
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| ^ why not? |
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