Motor life expectancy...

Jimmy McNeil · Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:10 pm Post subject:

Randy, you make some good points. Let me take a stab at these one at a time.

Randy Pierson · Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:49 pm Post subject:

Jimmy,

Having owned and run both I can tell you that one is not cheaper than the other. Have the experience in that I have 7 karts and motors running every weekend not one at a time.
But..we all go thru this 2 or 3 times a year, fanning the flames on the internet. Stupid but we all seem to chime in..must be some kind of sickness...
I'll see you soon, Goebel and I can watch you run while we are holding our Corona's.

Your fan from the Great White North.....Randy

Jimmy McNeil · Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:58 pm Post subject:

Your rite, I laugh when I see these debates but by the end of it I usually end up chiming in lol.

You'll be happy to hear we are upgrading the size of our ice chest for this years Nats. We brought a ton of adult refreshments last year, I think they lasted two days lol. I think Gobel did the most damage Evil or Very Mad

that guys an animal.

Cesar Rull · Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:55 pm Post subject:

Jeff DeMello · Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:20 pm Post subject:

Marty Lemons · Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:47 am Post subject:

From Kartweb.com article explaining the CR125:

How long will Honda supply the parts?

Honda has one of the best Supply Chains in all of industry in fact they are considered by many including GM, Ford and Mercedes Benz to be a model to follow. Most of their motorcycle and ATV parts are available for products that are 15 years old and more. Obviously if a part has some demand they will sell them. There have been over 20,000 1998 & 99 CR125 motorcycles sold in the US and most are still running. There have been over 2000 CR125 Kit motors sold, and they are currently selling 400 a year, several times more then all the ICC's combined. CR125 parts will be available for at least another 10 years.
_________________
Does a culture based on seperation and competition, of scientific sophistication and mideval religion, offer happiness even as it ravishes the Earth that sustains it?

visit: www.stereointegrity.com
www.Obsidiancaraudio.com

Cesar Rull · Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 2:45 pm Post subject:

what makes all this really difficult if the fact that the honda motors NEED to be 99 and have a specific cylinder and carb too to be legal, whereas the ICC motors are all spec motors arent they?

I am not going to be racing the state series anytime soon, but I would like to have that option in the future. I understand there is all kinds of rules for classes and I would have to buy a honda motor only to find out that I cannot run it in an event. Therefore I am looking at ICC.

But I am getting confused now. You guys are telling me that the ICC motors are not being made?! I know the hondas are not being made but there are tons of replacement parts for them. Is that the case for the ICC?

joseph hollinger · Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 2:49 pm Post subject:

Cesar:

Keep your eye on the ball here: the only thing that counts is what they run at the track(s) where you will be racing. Out here in the west, there is basically no such thing as an ICC. Same is true for the national series. But there are some places where ICC is king. Pick the right one for where you race.

Honda still makes the 99 CR125 in kit form. That's what the motor builders buy and use to make the motors they sell. KZ's (ICC) are still manufactured overseas. There just isn't that much demand for them over here.
_________________
A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on. -- Winston Churchill.

Cesar Rull · Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 2:53 pm Post subject:

^ One thing i realized I cannot find anywhere that sells ICC parts online for the topend refresh for instance like there is for the hondas.

Tim Salvino · Joined: 20 Nov 2010 Posts: 257

You dont need to go online to find Honda parts Wink

Go to your nearest Honda motorcycle dealer, and if they dont have the part on a shelf, they can usually have it in a day or two. ANY part. From a case half to a cylinder stud to a transmission bearing.

There are a few places that have ICC parts online, but they can be hard to find. Tom Barth at Green Flag Karting can get TM parts, and i think some others.

Go look up the price of a brand new OEM Honda Crank and connecting rod assembly.
Now look up one for an ICC.

Are you still thinking about buying an ICC?

Cesar Rull · Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 3:00 pm Post subject:

I went to homestead to watch yesterday. A bunch of the TAG stuff.. did not seem appealing to me. So when I inquired about the shifters I was told they were mostly Hondas and a few ICC's. Mostly hondas.

This communicated to me that at the club level these two cars would run together and not problem, everyone has fun. (unfortunately yesterday the shifter race had already taken place saturday).

My question is, in the US - you are telling my that hondas are what is run over on the west side. I guess you have club level > state level > regional and then national is that correct?

Is ICC run at the state level, and do they have their own class, or are they run with the Hondas?

And I know some smart a__ is going to tell me to worry about learning how to drive first, but this motor deal is an important investment. My question is, outside club level, are ICCs not run in the US?

joseph hollinger · Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 3:00 pm Post subject:

I just looked at the ICC section over at fastech racing. Top end parts are pretty much limited to gaskets and a ball hone.
_________________
A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on. -- Winston Churchill.

joseph hollinger · Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 3:04 pm Post subject: