Tag Starts.

Steve Buckner · Joined: 22 Apr 2003 Posts: 839

What do you think about this system to control the speed of non shifter starts. Just wanted to know if anyone has used this and what are the pros and cons. TY.

TJ Koyen · Joined: 03 Oct 2004 Posts: 1415

Those signs don't make me slow down on the street, how would they work in a racing situation?
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Steve Buckner · Joined: 22 Apr 2003 Posts: 839

My black flag will. No, I was wondering if you set a speed, say 35 mph for the pole driver and it is his job to keep it at that speed and if he goes over that speed it will flash and give him or her a chance to slow down before the start finish line or cone. If you pass the cone or line and the sign is flashing every driver will know its a no start and you get one more try or you will go back a few spots. I see every race where we are constantly trying to slow them down for the start, this will give the field a speed that is much safer going into turn one.

I know some feel its safer to go 90mph into turn one, yet I here most karters that end up on there head wish I would slow them down.

Tim Koyen · Advertiser Joined: 26 Nov 2002 Posts: 1556

As long as the penalties are applied to the 2nd through 5th rows, I'm all for it, but 95% of the time the leaders are riding the brakes trying to hold back everyone else. What better incentive for row 2 to screw up the start for everyone, they get to move up!
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Howie Idelson · Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:12 pm Post subject:

The CIK lane system works well. It's easy to enforce and makes safer starts. There is a defined line where a you can leave your lane. It's been used for many many years in every country but the USA. The rules are the same at every event. You stay in your lane until you cross the line. Look at pictures of any CIK track and the lanes are painted on the ground so it's very clear if a kart leaves the lane before the line.
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Steve Buckner · Joined: 22 Apr 2003 Posts: 839

Thanks Howie, Just looking for imput. What about Speed for kid karts. Trying to set a speed is a good or bad idea.

Ran into one more propmaker working on CSI New York that asked me if I knew you. Casey, ring a bell.

Howie Idelson · Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:24 pm Post subject:

Casey Morgan. Of course. Kid kart speed, Hmmm. I like the standing start for them best.
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Steve Buckner · Joined: 22 Apr 2003 Posts: 839

Cool, Thank you. Cool

gregg boyce · Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:23 am Post subject:

The pole sitter should be able to pick the speed at which he/she wants to start. If I'm in a TaG race on a Leopard and outside pole has an RMax I'm going to make sure the RMax is out of its powerband and vice versa. Mandating a set speed on the start WILL give someone an advantage. The pole sitter has earned the right, IMO, to set the speed that's best for him or worst for his competitors. It shouldn't be arbitrarily set by an official.

Just my $.02,

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Chris Hurst · Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:29 pm Post subject:

Ken Schilling · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 1344

Chris Hurst · Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 3:14 pm Post subject:

[/quote]Chris, the rule regarding regaining your place in the starting grid during the warm up lap is you can do so SAFELY before you reach the commitment cone set up by the race director, this should also be fully described in the drivers meeting. If you cannot do so SAFELY, then you must fall to the back of the grid regardless of the reason.[/quote]

Thanks for the heads up Ken. I was trying to regain my place and the guys basically boxed me out. If I recall correctly it was a race later in the calendar year so they were probably fighting for points for months on end. When I showed up it was just out of the blue to try so I suppose I can see their pov.

Personally I think it should be up to the guy leading as well and an imposed speed limit would take away from the strategy. I like the idea of racing being as much about psychological tactics as it is about machine setup or engine tuning.