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Riley Will
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Steve, way to go! Nice to see people actually caring to help someone with such a innocent request. The advice is all spot on!
You will hear the master of race craft, Valentino Rossi, speak about being in a nice rhythm.... Counting helps, your gear selection number may not.
Eyes up! The further you can look down the track and thru corners, the easier everything becomes. Look ahead, think ahead....
"up 1,2,3..... Down 1-2, up 1, down one, deap brake, get on gas early and smooth" These are things I would talk to myself in my helmet as I drove. When in the "zone" it feels almost effortless. Also, I would do lots of visualization with the same comments while writing to go on track. I would even start it with a stop watch and visualize what my qualifying time was going to be...... It helped tons!
All the best Nikos!
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Chris Hutchinson
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Nikos Alexiadis wrote: |
Thanks man! 
But I'm not that happy with the radiator. My Maxter is working at around 60-62 C which is hot, cause here in Athens the temperature is a scorching 35+C! I'm looking into a pentagon KZ2 radiator in order to drop it down below 59C.
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Nikos
I have the exact setup, and living in Southern California it gets quite hot. You may want to give this product a try before getting the Pentagonal, it also may depend on the organization you race with.
If you should decide to use, follow the directions and Do Not Add or Mix with ANY type of Water if you do, you make experience erratic temperature readings on your MyChron. Other than that it will keep your Maxter operating between 135F -145F on a Blazing Hot Summers Day, using the exact same radiator you have now.
Steve great technical advice thus far 
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Steve Buckner
Joined: 22 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks for all the props guys. Love to see guys test my recommendations and give feedback. I have been at the last two L.A.K.C races and helped a driver named Troy Starheim. He got pole, heat one, and main win for thouse two races. It was fun to see him call his wife and say, I WON yes I won. It was his first. Will try to make it a three-peat on July 15. See ya there Chris. |
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Sam Zavaglia
Joined: 23 Nov 2004
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Location: Australia, Sydney,
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Steve Buckner wrote: | I'm thinking of changing the line as follows:
The line you are going to change to will allow you to brake later or go in deeper to the corner. You can trail brake using that line. The only problem is it leaves the door open for some wanker to block your turn in point. |
So anyone who out brakes down the inside of this corner is a wanker.......sure as hell no room down the outside in that diagram, therefore it would make me a wanker like the other 99% of kart racers. 
Nikos, in racing, find a comprimise between how late you can brake from your competition, keeping the door closed but keeping the corner open best you can. If your chassis and tune setup is better then the competition, you should be able to make the sector quicker than the competition from approach to exit. 
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Nikos Alexiadis
Joined: 22 Jun 2012
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Steve Buckner wrote: | Have fun Nikos.  Checking to see if you balls are there before you go out is a good thing. |
Hahahaha
I see Gary, Thonon, Fore etc and other world champions brake all the way until the apex and even a bit after...then they progressively step on the gas when the wheel is about straight.
Is that about right?
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Nikos Alexiadis
Joined: 22 Jun 2012
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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I reloaded page 1 and replied there on Steve (thanks man!!) and I didn't see that there was an extra one with tons of replies!
MANY, MANY thanks guys!
Really, I am overwhelmed with the responses and the interest in helping someone across the pond.
| Riley Will wrote: | Steve, way to go! Nice to see people actually caring to help someone with such a innocent request. The advice is all spot on!
You will hear the master of race craft, Valentino Rossi, speak about being in a nice rhythm.... Counting helps, your gear selection number may not.
Eyes up! The further you can look down the track and thru corners, the easier everything becomes. Look ahead, think ahead....
"up 1,2,3..... Down 1-2, up 1, down one, deap brake, get on gas early and smooth" These are things I would talk to myself in my helmet as I drove. When in the "zone" it feels almost effortless. Also, I would do lots of visualization with the same comments while writing to go on track. I would even start it with a stop watch and visualize what my qualifying time was going to be...... It helped tons!
All the best Nikos! |
Thanks!
The great Ayrton Senna once said (and this an EPIC quote):
"I am able to get to a level where I am ahead of myself; maybe a fifth of a second, who knows? When my car goes into a corner I am already at the apex"
Looking ahead is very important. When I get into my flow, I don't count anymore. Things are done automatically, as if my brain is set into KZ mode.
So I'm trying to look ahead. I have Ayrton's quote in my head.
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Nikos
I have the exact setup, and living in Southern California it gets quite hot. You may want to give this product a try before getting the Pentagonal, it also may depend on the organization you race with.
If you should decide to use, follow the directions and Do Not Add or Mix with ANY type of Water if you do, you make experience erratic temperature readings on your MyChron. Other than that it will keep your Maxter operating between 135F -145F on a Blazing Hot Summers Day, using the exact same radiator you have now.
Steve great technical advice thus far |
I think the problem lies more with the track layout than anything else. Only one big straight to allow air flow in the radiator. As you can see the track has many U-shaped corners:
We've tried changing the angle of the radiator and jetting the MXO towards a richer side. Still I'm at 63C (145F).
Unfortunately I can't find this product in Greece and anyways we aren't allowed to add ANYTHING but water into the radiator. 
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Steve Buckner
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:36 am Post subject: |
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| Sam Zavaglia wrote: |
So anyone who out brakes down the inside of this corner is a wanker.......sure as hell no room down the outside in that diagram, therefore it would make me a wanker like the other 99% of kart racers.
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Sorry if I used a word that offended you. I will remove it Mate. Not to be confused with someone I have sex with.
Most racers that are taken out, injured, or end up on there head is from drivers diving down the inside thinking they can out brake you. I have walked up to way too many racers with there bones sticking out of there body from just that. Its just a sore spot for me. |
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Sam Zavaglia
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Steve Buckner wrote: |
The only problem is it leaves the door open for some wanker to block your turn in point. |
Steve,
I'm not offended, hence the smiley. I thought it funny that every passing move down the inside, the guy getting past call him a wanker.
Passing someone under brakes down the inside that will block their intended turn in point and crashing into someone down the inside are two different things.
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Nikos Alexiadis
Joined: 22 Jun 2012
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 3:15 am Post subject: |
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Your feedback guys was very helpful!!
My mechanic seemed to have a coolant like the one that Chris advised above. Temp dropped around 7C! Now the MXO works at 58-59 C! Great!!!
Also, I've worked on my lines, going deeper into the braking zone, hence changing my line on U shaped corners. Result? I found half a second on an emptier track than last practice (therefore less rubber on the track) and tires in the middle of their life. I think with fresh tires I can find a couple of tenths more. Actually, looking at the video I'm making many stupid mistakes, which I'll correct!
Here's the fresh vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoCdHhtGBSk
Feedback/comments are welcome.
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Steve Buckner
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:48 am Post subject: |
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| Much better Nikos. Your shifting is a whole lot better. Looks like the front is still kicking out the rear on turn in. Try this. Get a time with your setup, then narrow the front to 3 lines showing, go out and note time. If its not better then go back. Also try short hubs in the rear and set it at 54.5 inches. Test. Change ONE thing at a time and note what helped bring down that time. Good Job. |
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Benn Herr
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:09 am Post subject: |
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One thing that might help, try downshifting later. In the video you downshift as soon as you step on the brakes (you can hear the engine "whirr"). Having the engine braking help slow you is okay but it can be inconsistent. It's essentially giving you more rear brakes and it may help the kart rotate into the corner, but it will vary depending on the surface and what rpm you're down shifting at. Ideally you want the brakes to do all the slowing and save the downshift for when you really need it - like getting the kart turn a little sharper when you're dealing with traffic.
If you can do your down shifts in the time between when you brake and when you get back on the gas it can really smooth out your driving. It's a small thing. Plus it's easier on your engine!
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Mike Goebel
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:37 am Post subject: |
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| Benn Herr wrote: |
If you can do your down shifts in the time between when you brake and when you get back on the gas it can really smooth out your driving. It's a small thing. Plus it's easier on your engine! |
I watched an in kart video of Matt Jaskol doing that and it really made an impression on me of how late you actually can downshift. Now if I ever get back in a kart that's how I'm going to do it.
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Nikos Alexiadis
Joined: 22 Jun 2012
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:02 am Post subject: |
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| Benn Herr wrote: | | One thing that might help, try downshifting later. |
OK. I'll try downshifting a bit later, after having stepped on the brake.
| Steve Buckner wrote: | | Much better Nikos. Your shifting is a whole lot better. Looks like the front is still kicking out the rear on turn in. Try this. Get a time with your setup, then narrow the front to 3 lines showing, go out and note time. If its not better then go back. Also try short hubs in the rear and set it at 54.5 inches. Test. Change ONE thing at a time and note what helped bring down that time. Good Job. |
Thanks Steve. After this video we fixed the front, and widen it a bit which balanced the rear. Time got fractionally better, about 0,01...but then fatigue got the best of me, sun rose and times tumbled for everybody.
You are correct. Set-up changes must be done one at a time in order to draw the right conclusions on what helped.
Compared with other KZ2 drivers, I'm about 0,6 secs off of them. It's a lot, but I've just started with KZ2. So I need to work more. Too bad that next Saturday is too far away...
Thank you all.
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Mike Goebel
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:25 am Post subject: |
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Nikos,
Just remember that your Helmet matches your suit perfectly and that will get you to the finish line first every time!
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Steve Buckner
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:51 am Post subject: |
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| The next time you go out, if you can, point the video cam at the left rear wheel. I would like to see how the kart is jacking and how long it stays up vs corner size. If you cant, have your mech watch if, and how high it lifts. Is it settling back down mid corner or before that. |
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